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re: There is a ton of intellectual dishonesty regarding O
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:11 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:11 pm to Goldrush25
In order to compete in the SEC West you must have elite talent. LSU has done a great job attracting and developing talent and currently has the most players in the NFL. Trying to keep people employed that played a roll in producing those results is worth while. Those results are the fruit of alot of peoples hard work, not just one guy. This one guy is responsible for everything mentality is something i dont buy into.
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:17 pm to Rou Leed
When Chief left for A&M, Miles needed a DC.
He hired Steele, but learned all about Aranda during that search.
When Steele jetted for AU Miles specifically said that the previous year's search made the choice of Aranda easy.
Aranda is exactly who Les wanted.
Yeah Alleva signs off on hires but the HC makes the decisions with input from the rest of their staff.
Whose coaching philosophy meshes with what we're doing? Whose scheme best suits our talent on the field? Whose personality blends with our group? Recruiting abilities? Etc
ADs want it this way b/c when things don't work out the HC takes the heat and when they do work out the HC gets the credit.
He hired Steele, but learned all about Aranda during that search.
When Steele jetted for AU Miles specifically said that the previous year's search made the choice of Aranda easy.
Aranda is exactly who Les wanted.
Yeah Alleva signs off on hires but the HC makes the decisions with input from the rest of their staff.
Whose coaching philosophy meshes with what we're doing? Whose scheme best suits our talent on the field? Whose personality blends with our group? Recruiting abilities? Etc
ADs want it this way b/c when things don't work out the HC takes the heat and when they do work out the HC gets the credit.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:19 pm to Goldrush25
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Give me an A+ tactician with B- recruiting over the D- tactician with A+ recruiting. Much easier to surround an elite HC with recruiters than the reverse.
This ^
All damn day
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:28 pm to Rou Leed
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Im not trying to discredit his entire run, the past two seasons he was a coach with a .500 percent winning percentage in the SEC. Thats subpar. He was extremely successful but he was not a mastermind that single handedly controlled or manufactured the success of the LSU football program. The past two seasons more and more of his buddies were forced out and i dont think he had a very firm grip of control on the program was all i was saying.
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In order to compete in the SEC West you must have elite talent. LSU has done a great job attracting and developing talent and currently has the most players in the NFL. Trying to keep people employed that played a roll in producing those results is worth while. Those results are the fruit of alot of peoples hard work, not just one guy. This one guy is responsible for everything mentality is something i dont buy into.
So following your logic, we've now hired a coach with a less than .500 SEC record counting both LSU and Ole Miss (let's take this year and his last year with Ole Miss), who, if you view Les as a less than stellar coach, doesn't have an overall better resume or skillset, who also hires his friends in Kiffin (theoretically)?
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:28 pm to kbro
The searching, interviewing, and hiring of coaches is a complex process involving search agencies, agents, coaching connections, alumni, etc. Alot of things have to align perfectly to make a good hire. Sometimes you get lucky and everything comes together. More often than not it does not come together. If you want to give Miles credit for hiring Aranda, I am ok with it. It seems like he is probably receiving more credit than he deserves because of the process.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:33 pm to Freauxzen
Another oversimplification. Ole Miss at that time was a dump. They could have had Lombardi and i dont think his record would have been any better.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:37 pm to Rou Leed
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f you want to give Miles credit for hiring Aranda, I am ok with it. It seems like he is probably receiving more credit than he deserves because of the process.
Dude
Miles was here from 05-16
He may have gotten lucky on the Aranda hire but historically he was known to have a stellar staff that he gets the bulk of the credit for assembling.
Now his Achilles heel was any combo of these:
- inability to hire an OC who could develop QBs and inability to do that himself
- inability to hire an elite playcaller at OC
- inability to not interfere with the playcalling of his OC to the detriment of the team
- stubborn refusal to can BDP
- stubborn refusal to modernize offense
- abysmal clock mgmt
These are the things that led to Les' downfall. Alleva was not responsible for Les' eventual failure and Alleva didn't hamstring Les on his assistant hires.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:44 pm to Rou Leed
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Another oversimplification. Ole Miss at that time was a dump. They could have had Lombardi and i dont think his record would have been any better.
Ok, so after 2 years of Ed Orgeron, Ole Miss was a dump?
Or, was it dump before Ed Orgeron and he lacks the skills to run a program, identify problems, and turn it around?
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:45 pm to Freauxzen
I love that argument
The coach before and the coach afte Orgeron won 9 games at Ole Miss
The coach before and the coach afte Orgeron won 9 games at Ole Miss
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:46 pm to kbro
The hiring of a new DC after Chief leaving and associated legal battles and on the heals of Steele leaving to Auburn was a big deal and there were many hands involved.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:48 pm to The Egg
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O toppled the previous dictator in order to install his regime by using the power of the airwaves
Fact. It was a inside job from the moment he got hired. And the fricking LSU administration fell for it. I covered Ole Miss when I was in Memphis, ya'll have no idea what this will do to LSU football. Rough rough seas ahead.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:50 pm to Rou Leed
Hugh Freeze took them to the Sugar. Nutt took them to the Cotton twice. Cutcliffe gave LSUs best all time team all they could handle two years before O showed up.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:51 pm to DeltaDoc
He will ignore those facts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:52 pm to danfraz
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Fact. It was a inside job from the moment he got hired. And the fricking LSU administration fell for it. I covered Ole Miss when I was in Memphis, ya'll have no idea what this will do to LSU football.
Do tell.
O strikes me as a slick salesman, so I've always wondered just how good the sale actually was, because his resume is terrible.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:53 pm to Freauxzen
you saw a mini preview of it leading up to the UF game...
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:53 pm to Rou Leed
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Rou Leed
I quit
If you actually blame Alleva for Miles' downfall I don't know what to tell you.
Miles brought Aranda to LSU but he refused to address 2 of the 3 things that we're holding him down - offense and special teams.
When that dude was given another life at the end of 2015 he should've fired BDP first and foremost.
Next he should've taken a hard look in the mirror. If Miles knew that it was he, himself who was hamstringing Cam he should've turned over complete control to Cam.
If Miles WASN'T limiting Cam to a middle school play sheet and he didn't have confidence that Cam could turn things around then he should've fired Cam and let the new, progressive OC have complete control.
Instead he said "the engine isn't broken" and proceeded to change ZERO and lost to Wisky and AU - both games we should've won.
See ya
100%on Les Miles
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:55 pm to kbro
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things that led to Les' downfall. Alleva was not responsible for Les' eventual failure and Alleva didn't hamstring Les on his assistant hires.
I'm not going to argue for Les but as things move further and further away it's pretty clear the administration and he were not seeing eye to eye for the last 2-3 years he was here. So Alleva has some responsibility on maybe attempting to push Les out in the form of the Les Miles Clause etc...
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:55 pm to wildtigercat93
The guy did a bad job at Ole Miss. No question about it. It doesnt make sense to comparing his record there to Miles record at LSU.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:56 pm to Rou Leed
Did you pull your back moving those goalposts?
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:59 pm to Freauxzen
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Do tell
You already said it.
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slick salesman
I'm no angel, but I always felt I needed a shower after being around him. Oily is a good description.
He was a unbelievably bad leader at OM. Micromanaged and created a atmosphere of fear from some assistant coaches, who lost all respect for him, leading to players having zero respect.
It seemed at the time like a fatal character flaw. I don't cover LSU now so I can't say that he's different or not. The whole situation with how this all played out though gives me a real feeling of deja vu though. Like I've seen this act before.
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