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The gun control debate is simple
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:21 am
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:21 am
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. There is no need to interpret "shall not be infringed." It means you can't hinder it.
If the U.S. wants to control the ownership of firearms, it has to be by Constitutional amendment. If your politicians vote otherwise, they are essentially saying fock the Constitution.
If the U.S. wants to control the ownership of firearms, it has to be by Constitutional amendment. If your politicians vote otherwise, they are essentially saying fock the Constitution.
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:33 am to armtackledawg
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the right of the people to keep and bear Arms
This actually speaks of a natural, pre-existing right. By definition, such a right may not be taken away, though the government may cease to recognize it. At that point, we have two options.
This post was edited on 5/31/22 at 8:34 am
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:37 am to Broadside Bob
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This actually speaks of a natural, pre-existing right
This is hugely important point. The Constitution enumerates God-given/divine/inalienable rights of every person. You have these rights be virtue of being born. It does not grant these rights.
This post was edited on 5/31/22 at 8:38 am
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:14 am to Broadside Bob
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This actually speaks of a natural, pre-existing right.
Which also means you should be able to carry; open or not AT ALL TIMES.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:18 am to armtackledawg
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There is no need to interpret "shall not be infringed." It means you can't hinder it.
Additionally, in case anyone wants to nit-pick any other wording from the 2nd amendment:
This post was edited on 5/31/22 at 9:19 am
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:21 am to Wtodd
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Which also means you should be able to carry; open or not AT ALL TIMES.
Of course it does. It also means all the govt obstacles in firearms ownership should be removed, save some convicted felon laws.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:25 am to BigMob
quote:Where is this limitation found in the 2nd Amendment?
All the govt obstacles in firearms ownership should be removed, save some convicted felon laws.
Not there? So you are telling me that the 2nd Amendment is NOT “absolute?”
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:33 am to AggieHank86
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Where is this limitation found in the 2nd Amendment?
Not there? So you are telling me that the 2nd Amendment is NOT “absolute?”
That’s fair, if that’s the only sticking point, let them have them. They’re gonna have them anyway.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:05 am to AggieHank86
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The gun control debate is simple
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All the govt obstacles in firearms ownership should be removed, save some convicted felon laws.
Where is this limitation found in the 2nd Amendment?
Not there? So you are telling me that the 2nd Amendment is NOT “absolute?”
It would be part of the Due Process in the clause in the Fifth Amendment:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Someone convicted of a crime may be deprived or certain liberties. That is, he/she may be incarcerated or deprived of some of the rights of other citizens.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:08 am to shspanthers
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God-given/divine/inalienable rights of every person. You have these rights be virtue of being born. It
And when the government in charge thinks they are god you lose God given liberties
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:10 am to Broadside Bob
There are other fun restrictions that people don't seem to have a problem with. Can't go into almost any industrial workplace with a gun. Can't go into a bar with a gun. There are a ton of places that are considered fun free zones beyond just schools.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:12 am to armtackledawg
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The gun control debate is simple
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gun control debate
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debate
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:30 am to armtackledawg
They may not like it but I don't know why they are confused by it. The founding fathers were being oppressed by a foreign government. They knew the only way to break the stranglehold was by fighting a war.
Being able to take up arms is literally the 2nd most important thing behind being able to talk about the oppressive government without being punished.
In fact, the argument that you don't need an AR is stupid. The general population should be able to equip themselves with anything the military is able to. If I want an f-22, and can afford one, then I should be able to buy one.
Being able to take up arms is literally the 2nd most important thing behind being able to talk about the oppressive government without being punished.
In fact, the argument that you don't need an AR is stupid. The general population should be able to equip themselves with anything the military is able to. If I want an f-22, and can afford one, then I should be able to buy one.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:31 am to armtackledawg
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The gun control debate is simple
It is...find a gun that fits your hand better
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:34 am to BigMob
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bstacles in firearms ownership should be removed, save some convicted felon laws.
Where in the constitution does it say felons can't bear arms?
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:38 am to AggieHank86
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Where is this limitation found in the 2nd Amendment? Not there? So you are telling me that the 2nd Amendment is NOT “absolute?”
Felons have their civil rights removed via due process.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:38 am to Wtodd
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Which also means you should be able to carry; open or not AT ALL TIMES.
I don't think that it does.
It means the government can't stop you from owning a firearm. In case you need that firearm to overthrow the government.
However, if a private business has a policy that limits firearms on their property, then it isn't a suspension of your constitutional rights. You can still own a firearm, you just can't bring it into this person's business, because that's their choice to allow firearms or not. You can then choose to not patronize said business.
They aren't restricting your right to own a firearm, just making their own policies about their property. I know you are going to argue that then it's limiting the constitution, but again, it's not.
You can still go home and own your firearms and wait for the government to come to kill you and defended yourself. You can still form your militia. That should never be in question.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:42 am to Smokeyone
So, laws were voted in allowing the government to take away someone's 2A right. Got it.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:49 am to armtackledawg
I wish that it was that simple... Because I can see Bumblehead doing something like Executive order to remove the 2nd or some such nonsense...
What could we do? Take it to Federal Court? They are the federal court.
If the Democrats really did steal the election.. Do you think that they want guns in the hands of Republicans or Independents?
I honestly feel they will do or try something because they want to win again in 2024 and keep the power. Like I said, IF the election was actually stolen, then nothing else really matters anymore does it?
What could we do? Take it to Federal Court? They are the federal court.
If the Democrats really did steal the election.. Do you think that they want guns in the hands of Republicans or Independents?
I honestly feel they will do or try something because they want to win again in 2024 and keep the power. Like I said, IF the election was actually stolen, then nothing else really matters anymore does it?
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:52 am to the_magician
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Which also means you should be able to carry; open or not AT ALL TIMES.
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I don't think that it does.
How can you bear it if you don't have it?
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