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We need shooting
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:05 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:05 am
We are currently last in the league in 3p attempts at 25/game.
The only people i really trust shooting is CJ, BI, and Trey.
We cant trade 2s for 3s against every other team in the league.
The only people i really trust shooting is CJ, BI, and Trey.
We cant trade 2s for 3s against every other team in the league.
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Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:07 am to Balsamic_duck
Hindsight is a bitch but wish we traded for Bojan Bogdanovic. The Pistons got him for two journeyman and cash.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:07 am to Balsamic_duck
Our 3's should be zion and 1's. frick the league. It'll come in time once he goes to the NBA store and buys some ref respeck.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:08 am to yaboidarrell
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Hindsight is a bitch but wish we traded for Bojan Bogdanovic. The Pistons got him for two journeyman and cash.
Yeah that would've been nice. I want buddy hield. Graham, temple and jax makes the money work. Replace graham minutes with hield and let him take 6 3s a game
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:24 am to Balsamic_duck
I mean part of it is also scheme/coaching.
We arent THAT bad on paper where we should be last in the league in attempts. But we dont really prioritize getting open threes and having shooters on the court the way we prioritize interior scoring and defensive matchups. For better or worse.
CJ, Ingram, Jonas, and even Herb can knock down a three.
Off the bench Graham is a great C&S guy. Trey too.
But I once again think one of the two missing pieces in terms of role players is that Brogdon/Gordon/Haliburton type 2/3 that can run a bit of your offense, defend multiple positions, and knock down threes. Hoping Dyson figures it out, but right now it would have been really nice if Mathurin or even Sharpe had fallen to us. Mathurin in particular looks to be exactly what this squad needed off the bench. And having someone like him take all of Naji's minutes would probably have made yesterday an easy win(plus BI probably wouldnt be concussed).
We arent THAT bad on paper where we should be last in the league in attempts. But we dont really prioritize getting open threes and having shooters on the court the way we prioritize interior scoring and defensive matchups. For better or worse.
CJ, Ingram, Jonas, and even Herb can knock down a three.
Off the bench Graham is a great C&S guy. Trey too.
But I once again think one of the two missing pieces in terms of role players is that Brogdon/Gordon/Haliburton type 2/3 that can run a bit of your offense, defend multiple positions, and knock down threes. Hoping Dyson figures it out, but right now it would have been really nice if Mathurin or even Sharpe had fallen to us. Mathurin in particular looks to be exactly what this squad needed off the bench. And having someone like him take all of Naji's minutes would probably have made yesterday an easy win(plus BI probably wouldnt be concussed).
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 9:26 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:39 am to Bronc
op is not news.
Several posters threads on topic over the off season.
two issues
1. two starters with meh defense.
2. hope that the double team on zion leads to open catch and shoot 3s.
still can be so.
3. previous acceptance by all that starter team is light on outside shooting generally. only tm3 of bench is a better than average outside shot.
if someone says move x and y bench guys for a shooter:
say who that shooter is and what pick you give away.
be real.
Several posters threads on topic over the off season.
two issues
1. two starters with meh defense.
2. hope that the double team on zion leads to open catch and shoot 3s.
still can be so.
3. previous acceptance by all that starter team is light on outside shooting generally. only tm3 of bench is a better than average outside shot.
if someone says move x and y bench guys for a shooter:
say who that shooter is and what pick you give away.
be real.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 9:45 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:43 am to CelticDog
quote:
if someone says move x and y bench guys for a shooter:
say who that shooter is.
be real.
Buddy hield. Graham , temple, jax for hield. He takes grahams minutes
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:49 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:
someone says move x and y bench guys for a shooter:
say who that shooter is.
be real.
Buddy hield. Graham , temple, jax for hield. He takes grahams minutes
ok by me. do you think buddy can play serious defense if he's motivated?
I was sad to see him go but wow there were a few games with Davis and boogie both 30+ when it looked like a great deal.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:50 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:will only make our defensive woes worse.
Buddy hield
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:52 am to CelticDog
Starting unit has 4 guys that have demonstrated the ability to hit threes at average to above average efficiency....we simply dont prioritize those shots the way, say, a Gentry team would.
If this were Gentry(or another three point prioritizing coach like Kerr etc.) BI would be taking 6-7 threes a game, not the 2 he's currently averaging. Jonas would be hanging out in the corner or at the arc a lot more than he currently does. Herb would be encouraged to be more willing to take threes.
We simply dont prioritize the three as much as most other teams in the league. Yes, we could use another shooter or two, but it really doesnt matter if Green is still going to go to Jose/Naji for defense instead of going to shooters to outgun second units. If Herb and Nance are going to finish games over a theoretical alt-universe where we had gotten Bogdanovic or Lauri M. Where Willie will draw up a BI mid range as opposed to off ball screen to get BI a three.
If this were Gentry(or another three point prioritizing coach like Kerr etc.) BI would be taking 6-7 threes a game, not the 2 he's currently averaging. Jonas would be hanging out in the corner or at the arc a lot more than he currently does. Herb would be encouraged to be more willing to take threes.
We simply dont prioritize the three as much as most other teams in the league. Yes, we could use another shooter or two, but it really doesnt matter if Green is still going to go to Jose/Naji for defense instead of going to shooters to outgun second units. If Herb and Nance are going to finish games over a theoretical alt-universe where we had gotten Bogdanovic or Lauri M. Where Willie will draw up a BI mid range as opposed to off ball screen to get BI a three.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 9:53 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:57 am to Bronc
quote:
Hoping Dyson figures it out, but right now it would have been really nice if Mathurin or even Sharpe had fallen to us. Mathurin in particular looks to be exactly what this squad needed off the bench. And having someone like him take all of Naji's minutes would probably have made yesterday an easy win(plus BI probably wouldnt be concussed).
Agreed. I was on Mathurin all year. I still believe in Dyson. But I do think we should invest in a vet guard who can knock down shots that’s not named Graham. I’d kill to have Hart back on this team.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:00 am to Bronc
thank you bronc.
cold water.
reality adjusted.
its going to be wretched in close ones when the opposition runs sets for 3 and pels are reinventing the wheel in the Neolithic era. its really important to be at ease with the process with the game on the line. everyone down to the ball boy knows the drill. or not. plus if you have 4 shooters on the floor with 8 seconds to go the opposition can't focus on your only two 3 point shooters when you run your out of bounds play..
cold water.
reality adjusted.
its going to be wretched in close ones when the opposition runs sets for 3 and pels are reinventing the wheel in the Neolithic era. its really important to be at ease with the process with the game on the line. everyone down to the ball boy knows the drill. or not. plus if you have 4 shooters on the floor with 8 seconds to go the opposition can't focus on your only two 3 point shooters when you run your out of bounds play..
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:00 am to Bronc
I also wonder if he doesn’t draw that up because he wants us to get in the bonus sooner and get to the line or because he simply doesn’t have the faith in the guys to knock down those shots.
WG has learned a lot from his first year but he is still learning too. I think in the next couple of years he will realize he’ll have to start spreading the floor for Zion and start scheming 3s
WG has learned a lot from his first year but he is still learning too. I think in the next couple of years he will realize he’ll have to start spreading the floor for Zion and start scheming 3s
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:05 am to WicKed WayZ
quote:
Agreed. I was on Mathurin all year. I still believe in Dyson. But I do think we should invest in a vet guard who can knock down shots that’s not named Graham. I’d kill to have Hart back on this team.
Yeah Im hoping we can be the Clippers/Pistons of the trade deadline and inexplicably snatch up a solid rotation piece on the cheap.
As good as Vinson is, I think the struggles of Herb/Dyson(in preseason) show there are limits to him improving guys and we may have been too reliant on Vinson fixing bad shooters instead of making sure we had 1 or 2 as a back up plan if he didnt.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:09 am to WicKed WayZ
quote:
I think in the next couple of years he will realize he’ll have to start spreading the floor for Zion and start scheming 3s
Another thing I hope he realizes sooner than later is Point-Zion.
Seems like we have swung from one extreme to another. Where SVG maybe spammed it a bit too much and it hurt team cohesion and risked predictability, but Willie seems to be outright allergic to it. Instead favoring to use him almost like a traditional big in the post most possessions, which I dont think is Zion's strength.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:27 am to Bronc
Well I don’t think there’s a quick fix. I think it’s something he just hammers into them over time. Lonzo took some time too.
Herb isn’t a bad shooter either. He’s just streaky. And Dyson will look a lot better next year. But yeah, we need a contingency plan in case he doesn’t and we definitely need someone over Graham. Someone like Mike Conley or Derrick Rose would be great. Some leadership, tenacity and shooting but someone you’re not married to if Dyson gets better with shooting
Herb isn’t a bad shooter either. He’s just streaky. And Dyson will look a lot better next year. But yeah, we need a contingency plan in case he doesn’t and we definitely need someone over Graham. Someone like Mike Conley or Derrick Rose would be great. Some leadership, tenacity and shooting but someone you’re not married to if Dyson gets better with shooting
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:28 am to Balsamic_duck
We need to draw up more looks for Tre. He needs 8-10 3PA per. I really think he will flirt with 40% this season
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:30 am to GynoSandberg
quote:Completely agree.
We need to draw up more looks for Tre. He needs 8-10 3PA per. I really think he will flirt with 40% this season
Didn't he shoot something like 15 of 26 in preseason? Now he's 9 of 15 to start this season.
The raw numbers are obviously not sustainable but I see no reason why he can't sustain being an elite 3pt shooter. Granted, he is getting 6.5 attempts per 36, so it's definitely not super low, but I just would like to see it higher.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:30 am to Bronc
quote:
which I dont think is Zion's strength.
I don’t think it is moving forward but for right now, I do think it’s in Zion’s best interest as Willie finds the best way to utilize him while also trying to slowly bring him up to speed and not over work him early in the season. I think, much like last year, the Pelicans will be a much different squad in late Feb-April than they are right now and that includes how Willie uses Zion.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:34 am to CelticDog
quote:
ok by me. do you think buddy can play serious defense if he's motivated?
I was sad to see him go but wow there were a few games with Davis and boogie both 30+ when it looked like a great deal.
Its not like graham, temple and jax are helping our defense.
I see it as big upgrade in shooting without taking a step back defensively. Graham is a bad defender who cant shoot, buddy is a bad defender who can shoot.
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