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Kirk was killed because people were listening - Part I - Men have lost their way
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:17 am
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:17 am
In another thread, member BigPerm30 astutely points out Charlie's specialness with this comment:
I've just finished reading Realm of Ice and Sky and Labyrinth of Ice by Buddy Levy about artic exploration using aircraft and ships over a century ago. Although flawed, men were just different. It reminded me of the following video:
Titled "Easy" Women create weak men there is so much good meat here.
Made about 4 months before his death, Charlie states young men are currently growing up in a toxically feminine society that tells them their existence is a problem and that does not understand anything about male human development or what a boy needs to grow. He states that the existing educational monopoly (pedagogical monopoly) has "no idea how to turn boys into men"
Then he drops the (figurative bomb):
Charlie’s core advice for young men focuses on discipline, purpose, and self-restraint:
• Restrain your impulses.
• Do something adventurous.
• Confront evil.
• Stand up for those that can't stand up for themselves.
• Save yourself unto marriage.
• Find one sexual partner for your life.
• Engage in difficult and adventurous pursuits for noble and righteous purposes.
• Avoid engaging excessively in "the flesh," which includes drinking too much, doing too many drugs, engaging in hookup culture, and watching too much pornography, as these behaviors revolve around instant gratification.
• Recognize that marriage is a moral good for oneself and for society.
Then the second wave comes (at 3:37 in the video, since embedding twice isn't possible).
The Feminist Lie: Radical feminism promotes the idea that girls should "get as many sexual partners as you can" and "go sew your oats". Charlie asserts that the feminist claim that "free sex will liberate you" is false.
And at 4:24 he drops the big one:
• Harm to Women: He contends that "free sex drives young women insane". He specifically links increased sexual activity among young women to negative mental health outcomes, stating that the more sexual partners a young woman has in college, the more likely she is to be clinically depressed and on anti-depressants.
• The Difference Between Genders: These negative outcomes occur because women are told to act against their nature. Charlie explains that sex for women is fundamentally different than for men; for women, it is emotional attachment, it is relational, and it is not transactional and is not purely physical. The hyper feminist model tells young women to "go act like men," which leads many to end up severely depressed.
• Impact on Men: The accessibility created by this environment, where "every girl is easy and accessible," eliminates the need for young men to mature. Because the boy "doesn't have to grow up to get what he wants anymore," he is not forced to become a "very mature very sophisticated person" to achieve sex, as Charlie believes he should.
• The Supply Side: He places a portion of the blame on women, stating that "a lot of this is on women who have basically become pseudo only fans models going around selling themselves... basically for no price whatsoever". He previously advised women to stop giving their body away to every man and to save themselves for marriage, arguing that if women were "far more careful and pious with their sexual choices," men would follow
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I’m pretty successful and do ok for myself but when I hear him speak, I’m not sure we are the same species. Dude was unbelievable.
I've just finished reading Realm of Ice and Sky and Labyrinth of Ice by Buddy Levy about artic exploration using aircraft and ships over a century ago. Although flawed, men were just different. It reminded me of the following video:
Titled "Easy" Women create weak men there is so much good meat here.
Made about 4 months before his death, Charlie states young men are currently growing up in a toxically feminine society that tells them their existence is a problem and that does not understand anything about male human development or what a boy needs to grow. He states that the existing educational monopoly (pedagogical monopoly) has "no idea how to turn boys into men"
Then he drops the (figurative bomb):
Charlie’s core advice for young men focuses on discipline, purpose, and self-restraint:
• Restrain your impulses.
• Do something adventurous.
• Confront evil.
• Stand up for those that can't stand up for themselves.
• Save yourself unto marriage.
• Find one sexual partner for your life.
• Engage in difficult and adventurous pursuits for noble and righteous purposes.
• Avoid engaging excessively in "the flesh," which includes drinking too much, doing too many drugs, engaging in hookup culture, and watching too much pornography, as these behaviors revolve around instant gratification.
• Recognize that marriage is a moral good for oneself and for society.
Then the second wave comes (at 3:37 in the video, since embedding twice isn't possible).
The Feminist Lie: Radical feminism promotes the idea that girls should "get as many sexual partners as you can" and "go sew your oats". Charlie asserts that the feminist claim that "free sex will liberate you" is false.
And at 4:24 he drops the big one:
• Harm to Women: He contends that "free sex drives young women insane". He specifically links increased sexual activity among young women to negative mental health outcomes, stating that the more sexual partners a young woman has in college, the more likely she is to be clinically depressed and on anti-depressants.
• The Difference Between Genders: These negative outcomes occur because women are told to act against their nature. Charlie explains that sex for women is fundamentally different than for men; for women, it is emotional attachment, it is relational, and it is not transactional and is not purely physical. The hyper feminist model tells young women to "go act like men," which leads many to end up severely depressed.
• Impact on Men: The accessibility created by this environment, where "every girl is easy and accessible," eliminates the need for young men to mature. Because the boy "doesn't have to grow up to get what he wants anymore," he is not forced to become a "very mature very sophisticated person" to achieve sex, as Charlie believes he should.
• The Supply Side: He places a portion of the blame on women, stating that "a lot of this is on women who have basically become pseudo only fans models going around selling themselves... basically for no price whatsoever". He previously advised women to stop giving their body away to every man and to save themselves for marriage, arguing that if women were "far more careful and pious with their sexual choices," men would follow
Posted on 10/6/25 at 8:00 am to captainFid
We can not ever let this man, Charlie Kirk, be erased from the memory of humanity. EVER!!
Posted on 10/6/25 at 8:11 am to captainFid
Grandma always said..."Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?".
Always has been true, and continues to be true.
Always has been true, and continues to be true.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 8:25 am to Victor R Franko
Charlie seemed like a good guy, but he could get annoying when he started spewing the Simp rhetoric about how it's a man's duty & obligation to get married, have kids, and provide for a woman.
If you want marriage/kids then you do you.
If you don't want marriage/kids it doesn't make you a bad person.
If marriage is so amazing then why do over half of them end in divorce ?
If you want marriage/kids then you do you.
If you don't want marriage/kids it doesn't make you a bad person.
If marriage is so amazing then why do over half of them end in divorce ?
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 9:26 am
Posted on 10/6/25 at 8:26 am to captainFid
As someone that never watched anything he put out until after his death, I admit I can't watch his videos now without getting enraged.
Knowing he was purposely misquoted by the media over and over for the sole purpose of getting him killed pisses me off beyond belief.
When you realize many people you love watched and agreed with this guy, knowing full well you had other "friends" that cheered on his death, you realize a large portion of this country wants fellow Americans killed over lies.
Our media and violent, low IQ progressive idiots are turning this country into idiocracy.
Knowing he was purposely misquoted by the media over and over for the sole purpose of getting him killed pisses me off beyond belief.
When you realize many people you love watched and agreed with this guy, knowing full well you had other "friends" that cheered on his death, you realize a large portion of this country wants fellow Americans killed over lies.
Our media and violent, low IQ progressive idiots are turning this country into idiocracy.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 8:32 am to Timeoday
quote:
We can not ever let this man, Charlie Kirk, be erased from the memory of humanity. EVER!!
True dat.
Charlie needs to be viewed as one of our most influential statesmen - his vision may well have been the key factor in stopping the filthy democrat treasonous inroads.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 8:35 am to captainFid
It is really amazing that so many young men listened to what Charlie was saying. I hope that his words continue to change the way so many young people think and live.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 8:48 am to LRB1967
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It is really amazing that so many young men listened to what Charlie was saying. I hope that his words continue to change the way so many young people think and live.
They listened and they cheered, but probably not one out of a hundred actually changed their sexual behavior.
Just like this website. Everybody cheers Kirk for saying stuff like this, but ask them how much casual sex they had in college and whether they would do it differently if they had it to do over again. They'll laugh at you for asking that.
Nothing against Charlie Kirk and his message is right on, but it's going to take a whole lot more than that to overcome the poison of feminism that has infected this country for over 100 years.
He (and many others) have correctly identified the problem. But changing it is not so simple.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 8:49 am to Timeoday
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We can not ever let this man, Charlie Kirk, be erased from the memory of humanity. EVER!!
The whole left and a strange fringe group of "right" social media types are doing their best to change the narrative of Charlies murder and crate a cloud of uncertainty.
The mind rot of the right leaning conspiracy theory nut jobs is very strange indeed. The truth is bad enough, why try to gin up some cock-eyed ultimate master plan of multi-layered conspiracy in everything. (Obviously for the clicks and likes which = $$$) but it's just ugly.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 9:58 am
Posted on 10/6/25 at 9:41 am to Toxic Dude
quote:
Charlie seemed like a good guy, but he could get annoying when he started spewing the Simp rhetoric about how it's a man's duty & obligation to get married, have kids, and provide for a woman.
If you want marriage/kids then you do you.
If you don't want marriage/kids it doesn't make you a bad person.
If marriage is so amazing then why do over half of them end in divorce ?
But of course Charlie never said you were worthless for not doing the above.
Compare that to the following though... Scott Jennings followed by commentary by Dave Rubin, who is gay. They recognize this message resonates - we shouldn't demonize those who are doing these things.
As opposed to the real Simps, those who support the left's message of their worth, as a., well ... an 'emotional tampon' when called upon ... reference Gillette's commercial (which should have put them out of business).
Posted on 10/6/25 at 9:56 am to captainFid
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But of course Charlie never said you were worthless for not doing the above.
I've heard Charlie rant about how men need to stop being boys and man up and get married and have kids etc.
You mostly see this rhetoric spewed by young, naive, well intentioned conservative men.
Check back in a few years when half of them have been destroyed by divorce and they sing a different tune.
If a man doesn't have reservations about getting married then he isn't very intelligent (considering the divorce rate is over 50%).
Posted on 10/6/25 at 9:58 am to captainFid
I wanted to avoid going down conspiracy, but he was highly influential with young people on key subjects that are common sense. So yes, forces that want to defeat common sense and traditional Western values wanted him gone for sure.
I'm not naming names, there's a few that come to mind.
I'm not naming names, there's a few that come to mind.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 9:58 am to Toxic Dude
quote:
Charlie seemed like a good guy, but he could get annoying when he started spewing the Simp rhetoric about how it's a man's duty & obligation to get married, have kids, and provide for a woman.
If you want marriage/kids then you do you.
If you don't want marriage/kids it doesn't make you a bad person.
If marriage is so amazing then why do over half of them end in divorce ?
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Toxic Dude
checks out
Posted on 10/6/25 at 10:11 am to wackatimesthree
quote:
They listened and they cheered, but probably not one out of a hundred actually changed their sexual behavior.
Just like this website. Everybody cheers Kirk for saying stuff like this, but ask them how much casual sex they had in college and whether they would do it differently if they had it to do over again. They'll laugh at you for asking that.
Nothing against Charlie Kirk and his message is right on, but it's going to take a whole lot more than that to overcome the poison of feminism that has infected this country for over 100 years.
Ding ding ding.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 10:13 am to BrookhavenBengal
quote:
Toxic Dude
checks out
Yeah, because I just made that up about half of marriages ending in divorce.
I choose to live in the real world, not some Disneyesque Simp Fantasyland.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 10:40 am to Toxic Dude
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Yeah, because I just made that up about half of marriages ending in divorce
How many divorces are instigated by the woman?
Why do they instigate the divorce?
What has given them this mindset?
Start with those. We can go from there omce you have done the first steps.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 10:51 am to UtahCajun
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How many divorces are instigated by the woman?
Over 70%.
Which is even more reason that men should have reservations about marriage.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 10:59 am to Toxic Dude
quote:
Charlie seemed like a good guy, but he could get annoying when he started spewing the Simp rhetoric about how it's a man's duty & obligation to get married, have kids, and provide for a woman.
It's not that simple. And because you look at it like that and use the word "obligation," you set yourself up with a negative idea because many people don't like the responsibility of obligation.
Charlie Kirk might argue differently but it's not that your "duty and obligation" is to "get married, have kids and provide." Your duty is to leave the world better than when you entered it (or, in a religious sense, to contribute positively to building the church in the world). The best way to do that is to live our vocation - family or service. If your vocation is family - then yes the clearest path to that is get married, have kids in a positive, contributive way.
Marriage is important because, per Kirk's point, it creates the right motivations for society for all of those reasons.
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If you don't want marriage/kids it doesn't make you a bad person.
No, but Kirk would say, then go devote your life to something in the church instead. For many people that isn't an option, so at the very least - even if you don't agree - you might want to support, even in opinion alone, positive ways to live life. AKA, marriage and family. It's good for you too, because it's the best way to build society.
quote:
If marriage is so amazing then why do over half of them end in divorce ?
Because humans are human? Because most people are lacking the motivations and understanding of what marriage actually is. Part of that is culture in general, part of that is a lack of religion, part of that is trying to put something extremely subjective into these rational, Earthly terms. If marriage is only about sexual pleasure, having just this person that you like being around around, and collecting resources - then when any of those things fall apart - the whole thing can crumble. But that's what a lot of modern marriages are built on - sadly.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 11:20 am to Snipe
What they can not ever change is he got POTUS Trump elected. But people have short memories that must be jarred every two - three weeks.
I would love to see a Charlie Kirk Hour on CBS (now that an Ellison owns it) which offers his debates and interviews. TPUSA could "lease" a video each week because we do not ever wish for anyone other than Erika Kirk to control his work!!
I would love to see a Charlie Kirk Hour on CBS (now that an Ellison owns it) which offers his debates and interviews. TPUSA could "lease" a video each week because we do not ever wish for anyone other than Erika Kirk to control his work!!
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