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They were for Attacking Iran Before they were Against it
Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:15 am
Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:15 am
Erickson stood up for Trump on the Iran war and pointed out some inconsistencies I think the Poli Board will find amusing.
He points out how George Will, a long time critic of Trump, supports the Iran War:
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“President Obama says a nuclear Iran is unacceptable. The real and credible threat of force is probably the last hope of persuading the Iranian regime to back down. So: Isn't it time for the president to ask Congress for an Authorization for Use of Military Force against Iran's nuclear program?” Kristol wrote in 2012 in the now-defunct Weekly Standard, calling on Congress to authorize the use of force against Iran.
Kristol also oversaw the Weekly Standard publication of a 5,000+ word piece in defense of attacking Iran written by Reuel Marc Gerecht of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and Ray Takeyh of the Council on Foreign Relations. The piece, like Kristol’s, is sadly no longer online. Of all places, Media Matters has a snippet of Kristol’s piece.
Kristol, a man who long fought for the American government to overthrow Iran, is now blasting the effort to do so because Donald Trump is in charge of it. He and Iranian stooge Trita Parsi are on the same side.
“We don’t expect the Obama administration to request an Authorization for Use of Military Force. But Congress can act without such a request. By doing so, it would serve the nation’s interest, and, indeed, the administration’s, if the administration means what it says,” Kristol once wrote in defense of overthrowing Iran. Now, he claims the effort makes America unsafe.
It’s not just Kristol who advocated for the overthrow of Iran, now bitter that Trump is the one doing it.
“...will at some point be forced to take military action, unless [the Obama administration] undergo[es] an epiphany and reverse[s] course. War is a horrid prospect, as is the potential for massive loss of life -- but not as horrid as that of a nuclear-armed Iran,” wrote Jen Rubin in 2010. Rubin is now advancing the notion that Iran was no imminent threat.
Max Boot once compared Iran to North Korea and opposed Barack Obama’s Iran Deal. Boot long favored a much more robust and aggressive response to the Iranian mullahs. Now, Boot insists this war with Iran is unnecessary.
It’s just fascinating to watch the long-time Iran hawks get their heart’s desire, but because it is Donald Trump doing it, they are miserable. This reminds me of Rubin and the American Embassy in Israel. She long maintained that it should be moved to Jerusalem and blasted repeated Republican betrayals to move it. Once Trump moved the embassy, Rubin blasted Trump for doing so, claiming it could destabilize the region.
Compare these Iran Hawks with another person who is genuinely, not performatively, opposed to Donald Trump.
He points out how George Will, a long time critic of Trump, supports the Iran War:
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Yesterday, that noted Trump critic with a long and consistent record of criticism, George Will, wrote,
[i]The U.S. action for regime change in Iran is not sufficient to produce regional tranquility. It is, however, a necessity for beginning to reestablish a precondition for a more peaceable world: the credibility of U.S. deterrence.
A nadir of post-1945 U.S. power — and its precondition, confidence — was the 1975 departure of the last helicopter from the U.S. Embassy roof in Saigon. A second low point was reached when Barack Obama drew, in 2012, and then ignored a red line (concerning Syrian chemical weapons). A third was in 2021 when Joe Biden produced a chaotic exitfrom Afghanistan.
Today, Vladimir Putin is watching Venezuela, Iran (a source of some of Putin’s drones) and soon, perhaps, Cuba, join Syria as vanished clients. The swiftness of their downfall illustrates the hollowness of Russia’s claim to be a formidable global actor.
Today’s world, where the velocity of information and the capability of weaponry annihilate distances and compress time, resembles an Alexander Calder mobile: a disturbance here translates into disturbance over there. In one of history’s stranger caroms, Oct. 7 led to regime change at Harvard and other universities, and forced a U.S. reckoning with antisemitism’s infection of both extremities of the political spectrum.
There are people on both sides who suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Some can abide no criticism of Trump and will justify, rationalize, or excuse anything he does. Then there are those like Kristol, Rubin, Boot, etc., who are willing to abandon their long held ideas and ideals because they hate Trump so much, they’d rather be miserable than support him carrying out their heart’s desires.
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:20 am to prplhze2000
They’re mad they no longer have influence over policy decisions. It’s not that Trump did it as much as it is Trump to this point has ignored them.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:29 am to lurking
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They’re mad they no longer have influence over policy decisions. It’s not that Trump did it as much as it is Trump to this point has ignored them.
European leaders are following this same petulant pattern as well.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:34 am to lurking
Yup.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:36 am to prplhze2000
Works the other way as well.
People who once despised Kristol's views are now advocating for the position he held years ago.
Maybe the Administration can bring the Cheneys and Bushes back.
People who once despised Kristol's views are now advocating for the position he held years ago.
Maybe the Administration can bring the Cheneys and Bushes back.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:38 am to prplhze2000
You could reverse that as well and find plenty of hypocrisy, probably to include a lot of folks on this forum.
Politicians and pundits aren't driven to reveal the truth, they're driven to stay relevant. You may get the truth but that's not the priority.
Politicians and pundits aren't driven to reveal the truth, they're driven to stay relevant. You may get the truth but that's not the priority.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:58 am to Flats
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You could reverse that as well and find plenty of hypocrisy, probably to include a lot of folks on this forum. Politicians and pundits aren't driven to reveal the truth, they're driven to stay relevant. You may get the truth but that's not the priority.
Bingo. Most self-described as MAGA before the 2024 election would flatly say no to more foreign wars. Trump campaigned on ending the Ukraine waste on day one.
Now it’s high fives all around and print those MIC Bucks.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:11 am to OccamsStubble
They didn't pay attention to Trump.
Trump has said since before he was a candidate that Iran could not be allowed to get nukes and we should use any means to stop them.
Trump has said since before he was a candidate that Iran could not be allowed to get nukes and we should use any means to stop them.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:12 am to prplhze2000
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“If TACO Trump is already folding on Iran, the American people need to know about it. No side deals,” Schumer said, referring to the moniker “Trump Always Chickens Out,” a term lobbed at the president intending to criticize his tariff policies. “When it comes to negotiating with the terrorist government of Iran, Trump’s all over the lot. One day he sounds tough, the next day he’s backing off. And now, all of a sudden, we find out that [special envoy Steve] Witkoff and [Secretary of State Marco] Rubio are negotiating a secret side deal with Iran.”
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:17 am to prplhze2000
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They didn't pay attention to Trump. Trump has said since before he was a candidate that Iran could not be allowed to get nukes and we should use any means to stop them.
Cool! Trump had the opportunity to green light Israel to make that happen, as Israel has all the means and methods to do that.
So tell Bibi to do it with all that we’ve given him. No need to involve our hardware. It’s their war
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:27 am to OccamsStubble
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Bingo. Most self-described as MAGA before the 2024 election would flatly say no to more foreign wars. Trump campaigned on ending the Ukraine waste on day one.
Now it’s high fives all around and print those MIC Bucks.
I think most are against getting involved in long, drawn out foreign conflicts, especially where we have boots on the ground.
This isn't that, so it's an apples to oranges comparison.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:28 am to Laugh More
He’s on now with the German chancellor and surprisingly the chancellor echoed Trump’s comments about the UK and Spain being uncooperative.
We’re living in a world where Arab nations align more closely with our interests than the UK.
We’re living in a world where Arab nations align more closely with our interests than the UK.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:35 am to OccamsStubble
242 Marines
Tortured Buckley to death.
Embassy bombing
Killed over 600 of our troops in Iraq
Refuses to give up quest for nukes.
Plenty of reasons to use our hardware.
Tortured Buckley to death.
Embassy bombing
Killed over 600 of our troops in Iraq
Refuses to give up quest for nukes.
Plenty of reasons to use our hardware.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:38 am to prplhze2000
Trump had to have stolen Bill Ks girlfriend in the 80s and made Bill watch.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:41 am to prplhze2000
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242 Marines
Tortured Buckley to death.
Embassy bombing
Killed over 600 of our troops in Iraq
Refuses to give up quest for nukes.
All justifications for war and destroying the regime.
But where is the imminent threat that requires immediate attack without Congressional authorization?
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:42 am to prplhze2000
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242 Marines Tortured Buckley to death. Embassy bombing Killed over 600 of our troops in Iraq Refuses to give up quest for nukes.
I was told this was rectified in last summer’s bombing
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:44 am to prplhze2000
Do you have a link to this, or is it top secret?
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:47 am to JimEverett
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But where is the imminent threat that requires immediate attack without Congressional authorization?
If true, probably during the negotiation when Iran declared they had what they needed to build 11 nukes.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:50 am to junkfunky
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If true, probably during the negotiation when Iran declared they had what they needed to build 11 nukes.
If true, so much for Hegseth and Trump telling us Iran's nuclear program was obliterated in June.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:53 am to JimEverett
Iran is producing 100 missiles a month. We are producing six interceptors a month.
They taunted our negotiators that they had enough fissionable materials to build 11 bombs .
Do the math.
That seems to me to be an imminent threat.
Or do we wait until they launch nukes and have more missiles.
They taunted our negotiators that they had enough fissionable materials to build 11 bombs .
Do the math.
That seems to me to be an imminent threat.
Or do we wait until they launch nukes and have more missiles.
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