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What Do You Think Could Be Done For England's Offense?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:11 pm
Here is the career goal tally for the current England squad:
1. Rooney - 53
2. Sturridge - 6
3. Kane - 5
4. Vardy - 4
5. Cahill - 3
Is it a forward problem? A midfield problem? A system problem?
1. Rooney - 53
2. Sturridge - 6
3. Kane - 5
4. Vardy - 4
5. Cahill - 3
Is it a forward problem? A midfield problem? A system problem?
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:22 pm to John Keating
They need to realize who they are, and become a more reactive team than a proactive team. They can't hold possession, they can't break down anyone, they can't really seem to cross all that well either. There is no shame in being a counter-attacking team.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:25 pm to crazy4lsu
they do have athletes on the wing that could be dangerous on the break, too
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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They need to realize who they are
I agree that this is imperative. What is England's identity? I have no idea.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:43 pm to John Keating
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This post was edited on 10/10/25 at 10:44 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:43 pm to John Keating
They need to hire Klinsmann to teach their players to step on toes, be mean, and express themselves.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:49 pm to cwil177
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:14 pm to crazy4lsu
Aaron Lennon and Drinkwater could have helped.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:23 pm to John Keating
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What is England's identity? I have no idea.
It's interesting the other British Isle teams have a pretty clear idea though. They are all from the same system of youth development, yet only one tries to play high up the field, and surprisingly doesn't have any success.
Also the English team was fairly good in the 90's. Any team from 1986 to 1998 (maybe even 2002) could have won something. The game passed them by just like it passed all sorts of different teams (think Brazil). The noughties was a lost decade from trying to jam Lampard and Gerrard in the same team.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:28 pm to crazy4lsu
Not letting Paul Scholes control the game from the middle of the field was a fatal error.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:47 pm to John Keating
They damn sure don't need arrogant fricks like sloweasyconfident jinxing them
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:49 pm to John Keating
They need to quit trying to put the "best England players" (which is decided by if they play for a big club or if they ran a nice stat line, in that order), and put together a team with a plan and players that fit that plan.
This won't happen because if a manager did this and failed he would be destroyed by the media. Lose with Rooney and it's same old England, lose with Mark Noble or whoever and you can't find work again.
This won't happen because if a manager did this and failed he would be destroyed by the media. Lose with Rooney and it's same old England, lose with Mark Noble or whoever and you can't find work again.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:50 pm to John Keating
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A system problem?
Yeah, crazy4lsu makes a really good point about the system. There almost seems to be some kind of misplaced arrogance on their part about controlling possession and playing high up the pitch when it's the most ill-suited style they could play given their severe lack of creative attacking talent but lots of guys that run fast.
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Is it a forward problem?
There's certainly some kind of forward problem but it's hard to pinpoint. Rooney is world class in my opinion but after him there's not an English attacking player that really worries me as an opposing fan.
Every tournament for the last decade, all you hear about is the new, improved, super young attacking talent England has that's about to break out and lead them to international success.
Now there's Rashford, Alli & Kane replacing prodigies Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sterling, Barkley from only 2 years ago who replaced Walbeck, Walcott, Carroll, Lennon two years earlier and so on. . .
The amount of these players that seemed better--or least more useful -- at 19-21yo than they do in their primes is startling.
Perhaps they need an anti-youth movement to have a few more players who are tactically aware instead of mainly running fast.
You don't really win in Europe by throwing out a lot of 19-22 year olds who seem tactically confused most of the time, regardless of manager.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 8:34 pm to John Keating
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A midfield problem? A system problem?
Feels like it is 100% a mix of these two things
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:19 pm to wm72
Excellent points, all.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:05 pm to John Keating
Anyone know what the solution to the Gerrard/Lampard debacle could have been? Could they not have played together in a 2 man midfield with a destroyer type defensive mid behind them?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:08 pm to cwil177
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This post was edited on 10/10/25 at 10:44 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:10 pm to cwil177
Sven's diamond FTW
Posted on 7/1/16 at 12:00 am to cwil177
Nah, too often they ended up with no midfield essentially because Lampard would get forward and Gerrard would be chasing the ball wherever. They really would have been better off just rotating them based on the opponent, but again, the English national team is beholden to big players from big teams in its big league, so they don't make rational decisions
Posted on 7/1/16 at 12:57 am to cwil177
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Anyone know what the solution to the Gerrard/Lampard debacle could have been? Could they not have played together in a 2 man midfield with a destroyer type defensive mid behind them?
Drop one of them and play Scholes at first or Carrick once Scholes said frick this bullshite
Both Lampard and Gerrard lack the defensive situational discipline. Having them in the same midfield together was always going to be a disaster. Lampard has always have the green light in his career to roam free and Gerrard did while in his prime. He was a disaster in the holding role in the back end of his career.
This post was edited on 7/1/16 at 1:48 am
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