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OK. A little education on security clearances
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:16 pm
Since very few of you know what it is.
You need a Security Clearance to enter certain federal facilities, or certain parts or buildings of some federal facilities. You also need a Security Clearance to view or possess documents or info deemed "secure."
For example, if I was a contractor and I was contracted to perform demolition at a Department of State embassy, I would have to have a Security Clearance.
If I was an architect, and I was contracted to design renovations at a secure facility, I would need a Security Clearance. The majority of Security Clearance holders work for PRIVATE COMPANIES.
Private companies that perform work for federal clients often require someone to have a clearance before being hired.
You don't forfeit your clearance when you leave a job. Its not tied to a job, but to a person. When you eave a job, you don't turn in a Security Clearance like a sheriffs badge. That's not at all how it works.
Also, just because you have a clearance, doesn't automatically grant you access to whatever secure information you want. You still have to have a reason (like designing a building) to get access to secure documents. (Like blueprints of a building to perform renovations on.)
Security Clearances expire, and the holder must go through a new application process to keep it. They are never revoked, unless the holder breaks the rules of maintaining a clearance.
Top Secret Clearances are simply a level above Security Clearances. They give you access to Top Secret facilities and information, when you have a valid reason to need this access.
So please, enough with the "Everyone should have their clearance taken when they leave their job".
That is ignorant, and not how the system works at all. You wouldn't have any private companies with enough people with clearances to do the work the federal government requires.
You need a Security Clearance to enter certain federal facilities, or certain parts or buildings of some federal facilities. You also need a Security Clearance to view or possess documents or info deemed "secure."
For example, if I was a contractor and I was contracted to perform demolition at a Department of State embassy, I would have to have a Security Clearance.
If I was an architect, and I was contracted to design renovations at a secure facility, I would need a Security Clearance. The majority of Security Clearance holders work for PRIVATE COMPANIES.
Private companies that perform work for federal clients often require someone to have a clearance before being hired.
You don't forfeit your clearance when you leave a job. Its not tied to a job, but to a person. When you eave a job, you don't turn in a Security Clearance like a sheriffs badge. That's not at all how it works.
Also, just because you have a clearance, doesn't automatically grant you access to whatever secure information you want. You still have to have a reason (like designing a building) to get access to secure documents. (Like blueprints of a building to perform renovations on.)
Security Clearances expire, and the holder must go through a new application process to keep it. They are never revoked, unless the holder breaks the rules of maintaining a clearance.
Top Secret Clearances are simply a level above Security Clearances. They give you access to Top Secret facilities and information, when you have a valid reason to need this access.
So please, enough with the "Everyone should have their clearance taken when they leave their job".
That is ignorant, and not how the system works at all. You wouldn't have any private companies with enough people with clearances to do the work the federal government requires.
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:19 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:
So please, enough with the "Everyone should have their clearance taken when they leave their job".
That is ignorant, and not how the system works at all. You wouldn't have any private companies with enough people with clearances to do the work the federal government requires.
I have no problem with people getting clearances back if they need them for their jobs, but they should lose them when they leave their jobs.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:19 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:
Since very few of you know what it is.
You don't know either.
Apparently
John Brennan will never again be authorized to work for the government, as an employer or as a contractor, so he doesn't need his security clearance.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:19 pm to BayouBlitz
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You wouldn't have any private companies with enough people with clearances to do the work the federal government requires.
I have no issue with that.
We don't have to have all of those "secrets" from the American people. Secrets should be very few.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:21 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:
Top Secret Clearances are simply a level above Security Clearances.
"Top Secret" is a level of clearance. Levels are confidential, secret, and top secret.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:28 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:
I have no problem with people getting clearances back if they need them for their jobs, but they should lose them when they leave their jobs.
Functionally, this already happens.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:30 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:You are ignorant. Each instance of granting clearance involves a thorough background check. That typically cannot happen in the time frame you obviously think it can. It's not like a light switch that you turn ON and OFF.
they should lose them when they leave their jobs.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:30 pm to BayouBlitz
It’s amazing the number of people that both want to privatize as much of the government and want people to lose their security clearances when they leave the government.
How the Hell is Boeing supposed to design the next generation of military jet without its engineers having security clearances?
How the Hell is Boeing supposed to design the next generation of military jet without its engineers having security clearances?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:31 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:
You are ignorant. Each instance of granting clearance involves a thorough background check. That typically cannot happen in the time frame you obviously think it can. It's not like a light switch that you turn ON and OFF.
True enough. We couldn't possibly change the process or expedite it for people who had their clearance revoked simply because they left their job. That would be far too impossible for the federal government to navigate!
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:31 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:
So please, enough with the "Everyone should have their clearance taken when they leave their job".
Yes, everyone should have their clearance suspended, at the very least, when they leave their job.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:32 pm to HubbaBubba
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That typically cannot happen in the time frame you obviously think it can.
The government loses very qualified FTEs and contractors all the time because those people get attractive, immediate offers while they're waiting to have background checks, etc completed.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:33 pm to TheHarahanian
quote:Above Top Secret is SCI and SAP.
Top Secret" is a level of clearance. Levels are confidential, secret, and top secret.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:33 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
Functionally, this already happens.
Unfortunately these retards believe that having the clearance means you can walk right into any federal building that you want and access any documents you want.
As if John Brennan was still going to the NSA and looking over intercepts daily or something.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:35 pm to HubbaBubba
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Above Top Secret is SCI and SAP.
Well obviously I'm not cleared to know about those.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:35 pm to BayouBlitz
No one has given a single reason as to why John Brennan should still have his clearance.
The SoP is fine but these things can be taken away, and Brennans was,rightfully so
The SoP is fine but these things can be taken away, and Brennans was,rightfully so
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:36 pm to TheHarahanian
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quote:
Above Top Secret is SCI and SAP.
Well obviously I'm not cleared to know about those.
The highest is "I could tell you , but then I'd have to kill you"
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:42 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:
BayouBlitz
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:44 pm to BayouBlitz
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Security Clearances expire, and the holder must go through a new application process to keep it. They are never revoked, unless the holder breaks the rules of maintaining a clearance.
I believe this was the biggest reason used to justify what Trump did.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:45 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:
I have no problem with people getting clearances back if they need them for their jobs, but they should lose them when they leave their jobs.
More Bureaucracy.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:48 pm to VOLhalla
quote:I'll take sophormoic false equivalences for $500, Alex.
How the Hell is Boeing supposed to design the next generation of military jet without its engineers having security clearances?
Working on a military project != spouting bullshart on CNN. And... by definition one does not need a TS to spout BS on CNN. They are supposed to keep secret info... you know secret.
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