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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:45 pm to SaintEB
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:45 pm to SaintEB
Eh? I aint really trying to talk you out of anything. Just making sure you're building for the right reasons. And I also don't know more than anyone on this forum... So...
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:53 pm to hoojy
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I aint really trying to talk you out of anything.
It seems like you were. Maybe I am in a "seeing things negatively" type of mood right now. I blame Devious.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:55 pm to SaintEB
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I blame Devious.
The name checks out.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:12 pm to SaintEB
Go for the latest, it's dumb not to at this point. Don't buy a dead platform in 2024.
DDR5 is a lot of fun. I just manually did all of my settings and gained a ton as you can tighten them now significantly across the board.
Some people get salty they aren't on the latest when others talk about it.
DDR5 is a lot of fun. I just manually did all of my settings and gained a ton as you can tighten them now significantly across the board.
Some people get salty they aren't on the latest when others talk about it.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:16 pm to UltimateHog
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Some people get salty they aren't on the latest when others talk about it.
Eh? I can't think of anyone getting salty about this.
What you get your timings down to btw? I thought about fricking with mine, but a 4070 on 1440P settings just seems like such a waste.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:23 pm to hoojy
30-36-36-30 from 30-38-38-96.
Hit 5.550GHz at 1.33 on the 7700X as well and was able to beat my previous record by a bit. Got the 4070 to 9,063 on time spy extreme beating my old by a good bit.
I went ham the other night.
Hit 5.550GHz at 1.33 on the 7700X as well and was able to beat my previous record by a bit. Got the 4070 to 9,063 on time spy extreme beating my old by a good bit.
I went ham the other night.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:23 pm to SaintEB
quote:
I blame Devious.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:26 pm to UltimateHog
Holly shite and the last part of the timing. Mistype or is that real?
I'm at 5500mhz with just enhanced PBO. Although, I don't see much sense in trying to get more out of it with my current GPU. Curve optimizer seems stable at -28. Can't overclock my GPU due to 200 watt limiter.
I'm at 5500mhz with just enhanced PBO. Although, I don't see much sense in trying to get more out of it with my current GPU. Curve optimizer seems stable at -28. Can't overclock my GPU due to 200 watt limiter.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:26 pm to UltimateHog
Wait until you start playing around with secondary and tertiary timings. That’s when the fun really starts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:27 pm to hoojy
It's real. You can get tras crazy low now on DDR5.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:28 pm to Joshjrn
I did all of them. The guide was for all like 50 settings for that shite took awhile.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:32 pm to UltimateHog
I don't see trying to squeeze more out of my cpu or ram until my GPU gets better, but holy shite, that's nuts.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:42 pm to hoojy
Well make sure for cpu you disable c-states in bios and go into USB and also disable xhci handoff.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:50 pm to UltimateHog
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I did all of them. The guide was for all like 50 settings for that shite took awhile.
What did it say about setting tRAS?
Ever since you first posted your primary timings, that tRAS timing struck me as odd, and especially because I don’t remember spending much time on it when I was OCing/tuning my RAM. I kept thinking “I want to say that was just a straight formula…” but it had been so long that I couldn’t recall. Just looked it up, and now I understand why. Having a tRAS lower than CL + tRCD basically gets ignored for a simple reason: CL and tRCD must complete before the tRAS time as tRAS is the amount of time a row needs to be active to have data read from it. CL is the delay from request to ready to read and tRCD is read time. The row can’t be active for less time than those combined. So regardless of what your motherboard is allowing for input for tRAS, with CL at 30 and tRCD at 36, your tRAS is running at or above 66.
Eta: The above is at least to my understanding. RAM is half voodoo to me. If anyone knows better, feel free to correct me.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:54 pm to Joshjrn
Are you thinking tRC maybe? Not sure on ram either just followed buildzoid and HU guides.
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Voltages
VDDIO / MVDD / MVDDQ: 1.35V
VSOC: 1.25V
Timings
tCL: just use XMP
tRCD: just use XMP
tRP: just use XMP
tRAS: 30*
tRC: 68
tWR: 48
tREFI: 50000
tRFC: 500
tRFC2: 400
tRFC4: 300
tRTP: 12
tRRD_L: 8 // Some hynix A-die really really sucks at tRRD_L
tRRD_S: 4
tFAW: 20
tWTR_L: 16
tWTR_S: 6
tRDRDSCL: 4
tRDRDSC: 1
tRDRDSD: AUTO (only relevant for dual rank)
tRDRDDD: AUTO (only relevant for multi rank)
tWRWRSCL: 4
tWRWRSC: 1
tWRWRSD: AUTO (only relevant for dual rank)
tWRWRDD: AUTO (only relevant for multi rank)
tWRRD: 2
tRDWR: 16
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:37 pm to UltimateHog
No, tRC is another formulaic one, though. It’s tRP + tRAS. Just so happened that because your CL and tRAS are both set to 30 that the ultimate equation would come out to 68.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:48 pm to Joshjrn
Oh okay, it does say at the bottom that bios updates lately moved it from 28 to 30 for a minimum as 28 put it below cl30 prior. So you are probably correct otherwise they wouldn't change that I'd think. Could have been causing issues putting it below at 28 tras.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 1/12/24 at 9:08 am to UltimateHog
Planning next build. I'm very behind on mobos - what is the best out there for AM5?
I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and go 4090 + 7800X3D
I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and go 4090 + 7800X3D
Posted on 1/12/24 at 9:17 am to Carson123987
I wouldn’t spend more than like $300 for a mobo… just find an MSI or Gigabyte X670 board that has as many m.2 slots and fan headers you need.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 9:27 am to LSUGent
MSI is what I'm leaning towards. Not doing Asus again
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