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re: Drives going too far in the PGA
Posted on 7/22/20 at 3:56 pm to Laloosh
Posted on 7/22/20 at 3:56 pm to Laloosh
This opinion although is an opinion isn’t well thought out. I heard Keopka speak on this and i agree wholeheartedly with what he said. Although he can come off as bit of an Ahole i like him and think he’s fairly intelligent.
If you make a tour ball it isn’t going to hurt the long hitters. You’re trying to tone down the elite long ball hitters but, the real result of that would be the short hitters disappearing off the tour. They are the ones that will suffer the most.
The solution to the long ball is this imo. Narrow the fairway and grow out the rough thick and long. Make it a true legit penalty to hit the ball off the fairway. Now, you’re gonna have these players who always biitch when the rough is too thick yada yada but, you do these 2 things and you force these guys to hit irons off the tee. Or risk paying the price.
If you make a tour ball it isn’t going to hurt the long hitters. You’re trying to tone down the elite long ball hitters but, the real result of that would be the short hitters disappearing off the tour. They are the ones that will suffer the most.
The solution to the long ball is this imo. Narrow the fairway and grow out the rough thick and long. Make it a true legit penalty to hit the ball off the fairway. Now, you’re gonna have these players who always biitch when the rough is too thick yada yada but, you do these 2 things and you force these guys to hit irons off the tee. Or risk paying the price.
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Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:56 pm to RawDog7984
In Jack's day most players did 12oz curls after a round.
These guys today are athletes.
There will always be courses for the shorter hitters to win on.
The only time this idea really bothers me is at the Masters, I hate to see that grand course giving up those scores.
These guys today are athletes.
There will always be courses for the shorter hitters to win on.
The only time this idea really bothers me is at the Masters, I hate to see that grand course giving up those scores.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 11:32 pm to greenwave
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Not like long drivers are just dominating every tournament.
The current best players in the world all pound the ball...your statement is just wrong.
Rahm
Koepka
DJ
Rory
DeChambeau
JT
It’s a lot easier to win tournaments when you just have to master a driver, wedge, and a putter.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 4:20 am to The Pirate King
Patrick Reed, Morikawa, and Webb Simpson say hello
I’m mainly talking about your 310 averages and above. Rahm JT Koepka DJ all below that.
I’m mainly talking about your 310 averages and above. Rahm JT Koepka DJ all below that.
This post was edited on 7/23/20 at 4:32 am
Posted on 7/23/20 at 6:36 am to bopper50
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The only time this idea really bothers me is at the Masters, I hate to see that grand course giving up those scores.
It’s funny, but the players seem to struggle the most at the shortest hole on the course, 12.
I think par 5s were meant to present risk/reward for 2 excellent shots.
Modern players are making 13 fairly easy, but ANGC is making some subtle changes to that hole soon. It will still be reachable, but it will be a bit harder than now.
5 is crazy long for a par4.
The Masters will always create excitement. The par 5s need to be reachable.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 1:11 pm to makersmark1
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The Masters will always create excitement. The par 5s need to be reachable.
Exactly, but the trick is to keep that balance. It’s a risk/reward hole. You want the field trying to score there but you don’t want everyone to score there.
Keep the second shot a premium, a tough shot, a hard shot and not an easy play. That’s the challenge of the architect.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 1:41 pm to CBandits82
Id be interested in club head speed now compared to back then.
These guys on tour HAVE to be swinging a lot faster.
These guys on tour HAVE to be swinging a lot faster.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 7:17 pm to makersmark1
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I think par 5s were meant to present risk/reward for 2 excellent shots
Not much risk hitting a 9 iron.
The driver is too big, and the ball doesn't spin. Dudes can swing all out with little fear of a mishit. Augusta is going to get tired of being forced to keep purchasing more land to maintain some shot value.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 7:24 pm to BlastOff
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Augusta is going to get tired of being forced to keep purchasing more land to maintain some shot value.
Or bring some random, deep pot bunkers into the fairways.
Could create a pond in landing zone of 13.
I’m amazed at how they can plant a forest there overnight. The may be able to move the tee back and left.
They will figure it out.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 7:42 pm to makersmark1
Jack said during the telecast of the Memorial that the USGA & R&A need to get off their collective asses and do something about dialing back the golf ball. I agree with him.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:04 pm to Laloosh
Grow out the rough is the answer.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:28 pm to makersmark1
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The Masters will always create excitement. The par 5s need to be reachable.
The Greens use to be more penal then they are now. I remember when guys use to not be able to keep the ball on the green if they hit it 3 feet off line.
That Spaulding Tour Edition ball kept Greg Norman from wearing a green jacket or two.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:30 pm to Billy Mays
That and narrowing the fairways and increasing the speed of the greens.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:52 pm to Laloosh
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I read an article about Nicklaus hitting a 346 yd drive back in the day so for me that should be the ceiling on drives...if you REALLY catch one It’ll go 340-350 on the tour.
What y’all boys think? Like the 400+ drives and 320 averages ??
Equipment (as in, just ball and club) is playing a decently big part in the distant jump, but there seems to be a lack of acknowledgement from the older generation that this current generation would still be blowing it past them playing the same technology that they played. Better athletes with a much better understanding of where leverage and power comes from + a much better understanding of how important distance is in the sport = significantly longer players.
And for what it's worth, lengthening courses is an obvious failure to address the "problem". Pinching fairways and growing rough really isn't the way to do it, either (though it doesn't necessarily hurt, either). The true championship golf courses need to be second shot courses in the truest sense of the word. Augusta, Royal Melbourne, Pinehurst, Riviera, et al can all do it beautifully. Muirfield definitely had more than a touch of that this past week. Force players to shape approach shots, leave the ball underneath the hole, ensure they are on the right level, etc., etc.
This post was edited on 7/23/20 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 1:31 am to AbuTheMonkey
I can hit the ball as far today as I did well over thirty years ago. Back then, there was a reason you had to hit a persimmon driver “on the screws.” Before perimeter weighting and square grooves, you couldn’t just swing from your butt with an iron. Balls today are amazing. Nicklaus was roped in with Macgregor for much of his career - arguably the worst golf balls on tour. If anyone has ever swung a wooden shaft, you’ll understand even further why Bobby Jones and Harry Vardon were legendary. How do you dial in proper kick points in a shaft with different pieces of hickory? Much more technology than artistry these days.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 1:33 am
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:24 am to AbuTheMonkey
Nicklaus, Trevino, And the other greats would do whatever it takes to win just like the guys today do. They could compete against anybody. Competition makes you better, makes you mentally tougher and thus a better player.
Golf has evolved. The players are better as is equipment, technology and courses have gotten better. And now the money is so big you have more guys going after it. All of that makes the level of play better.
But I do think there needs to be at minimum some restrictions on the ball. You can’t keep buying more and more property to make a course challenging and no one wants a course where it’s driver, wedge to a lightning fast green with a five foot square landing area. Golf fans want to see challenged off the tee, tough shots to a well protected green, fair pin placements, strategy, a penalizing rough, and holes that reward great shots.
Golf has evolved. The players are better as is equipment, technology and courses have gotten better. And now the money is so big you have more guys going after it. All of that makes the level of play better.
But I do think there needs to be at minimum some restrictions on the ball. You can’t keep buying more and more property to make a course challenging and no one wants a course where it’s driver, wedge to a lightning fast green with a five foot square landing area. Golf fans want to see challenged off the tee, tough shots to a well protected green, fair pin placements, strategy, a penalizing rough, and holes that reward great shots.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 10:00 am
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