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re: Expected timeline for LIV Golf's OWGR Application?
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:53 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:53 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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The Tour just did the same exact thing
Yep. And I agree. Those guys don’t have money and need the help.
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:33 am to BBONDS25
Comparing the Tour Championship to LIV?
Calling the Tour Championship no cut is disingenuous as the cutdowns happen over the course of not only three tournaments but an entire season. Given the entire process it takes to win the Tour Championship it should probably award the highest amount of points of any tournament, including the majors.
Comparing it to a 54 hole, no cut event with 48 guys under contract with no way to qualify for the field other than putting pen to paper based on past accomplishments on other tours. That's ridiculous.
Calling the Tour Championship no cut is disingenuous as the cutdowns happen over the course of not only three tournaments but an entire season. Given the entire process it takes to win the Tour Championship it should probably award the highest amount of points of any tournament, including the majors.
Comparing it to a 54 hole, no cut event with 48 guys under contract with no way to qualify for the field other than putting pen to paper based on past accomplishments on other tours. That's ridiculous.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:39 am to SoDakHawk
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Calling the Tour Championship no cut is disingenuous as the cutdowns happen over the course of not only three tournaments but an entire season.
How about the Tiger invitational? (Hero World Challenge)
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 8:41 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:42 am to BBONDS25
Does it make a difference to the OWGR if its just a one-off event on the tour not meeting all criteria compared to every event on the tour not meeting the criteria? IMO I think that could be a factor, but I don't know anything more than anyone else on how it works.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:44 am to BBONDS25
Then go ahead and award LIV events a proportional share of points. But isn't that the problem? All these examples you are giving are one off events. LIV is an entire tour based on the "abnormal". It's going to take some time and a track record of that particular tour and it's structure to figure out how many points to be assigned to its events.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:51 am to SoDakHawk
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Then go ahead and award LIV events a proportional share of points
That's how it would work. Strength and depth of field are metrics used to determine how many points an event gets
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All these examples you are giving are one off events.
"ahhh, these are the standards but these are just one off events so they don't really count, frick it"
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It's going to take some time and a track record of that particular tour and it's structure to figure out how many points to be assigned to its events.
No its not, you just don't know how points are given for sanctioned events
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:53 am to JScoop8
Plus, with the rest of the Tours you have some crossover players that participate in events across different tours. There is a baseline for comparison. LIV is a closed tour. How do you qualify for LIV? Is there a LIV Q school? Does LIV have Monday qualifiers?
Oh, I already know the rebuttal, that the new LOV signings have ranking, but that still doesn't answer the question of how to rate and rank LIV's structure.
To be clear, I think LIV should get points, but I also think they need to follow the process like everyone else. And rating that tour for points assignment is a different animal than other tours in the past so it should take more time.
All the LIV signings knew this, hence the massive contracts. They've been compensated for going to a tour where they will be giving up their ranking.
Oh, I already know the rebuttal, that the new LOV signings have ranking, but that still doesn't answer the question of how to rate and rank LIV's structure.
To be clear, I think LIV should get points, but I also think they need to follow the process like everyone else. And rating that tour for points assignment is a different animal than other tours in the past so it should take more time.
All the LIV signings knew this, hence the massive contracts. They've been compensated for going to a tour where they will be giving up their ranking.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:55 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Just so you know Mingo, I'm not going to engage in dialogue with you. You can respond to my posts but I'm not reading them or answering. You are the worst poster on this board and do nothing but argue and enflame.
Enjoy talking to yourself.
Enjoy talking to yourself.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:56 am to SoDakHawk
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I also think they need to follow the process like everyone else.
The flaw in your premise is you clearly don't understand the process.
No one has all the details but you seemingly have none
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:56 am to BBONDS25
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How about the Tiger invitational? (Hero World Challenge)
Those are made for TV events, space fillers for the Tour and the network.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:59 am to SoDakHawk
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How do you qualify for LIV? Is there a LIV Q school? Does LIV have Monday qualifiers?
LIV did announce some future changes that included some kind of qualifier to get on the LIV tour. I think it was maybe 4 spots each year? I'm sure someone here has those details.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:14 am to bopper50
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Those are made for TV events, space fillers for the Tour and the network.
Were talking about OWGR points. And the Hero isn't even an official PGA Tour event, so, who'd a thunk it, but you have no idea what you are talking about.... Again
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:39 am to Mingo Was His NameO
If LIV players are only playing against LIV players, then I don't know how you can quantify points for their events in the future. Especially given the fact that they are playing with guaranteed money and the big signings have no pressure to stay on the LIV tour.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:47 am to RedHawk
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If LIV players are only playing against LIV players, then I don't know how you can quantify points for their events in the future.
You think alps Tour or Challenge Tour players are getting a ton of starts on other sanctioned tours?
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Especially given the fact that they are playing with guaranteed money
Maybe the weakest of all the arguments. A lot of other sports have garaunteed money, you think Rory or Tiger need money? fricking yawn
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:50 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You think alps Tour or Challenge Tour players are getting a ton of starts on other sanctioned tours?
Those Tours also have horrible SOF for OWGR purposes. You cool with LIV being given the same treatment?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:51 am to lsufball19
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Those Tours also have horrible SOF for OWGR purposes. You cool with LIV being given the same treatment?
No, because LIV has a better SOF. I was just showing him how his arguement holds no water because what he's bitching about already exists.
Under the new formula, though, LIV's fields will be much weaker because depth of field is more heavily weighted, which was an already planned change.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 9:53 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:53 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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because LIV has a better SOF
How are you going to quantify that moving forward?
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 9:53 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:53 am to lsufball19
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How are you going to quantify that moving forward?
Same way it's quantified now
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:54 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Same way it's quantified now
If they’re only playing each other every week, no it can’t be
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:55 am to lsufball19
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If they’re only playing each other every week, no it can’t be
Well, for one they won't be. They'll be guys that play Asian tour events and unless the Majors act like little girls, those too.
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