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re: I mean, should Lucas Glover be chosen for Ryder cup?
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:35 pm to llfshoals
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:35 pm to llfshoals
JT hasn’t really been that great in match play
11-14-1 in overall in match play between Ryder cup and the match play events
He has been good in football and foursomes, and maybe that’s because of his “style”, his partner, or just random
11-14-1 in overall in match play between Ryder cup and the match play events
He has been good in football and foursomes, and maybe that’s because of his “style”, his partner, or just random
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Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:46 pm to bopper50
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Lucas has payed his dues and is playing great right now.
He’s playing great right now but do we trust his out of character hot streak to extend to the Ryder Cup? Love the guy but I also want the US to put a team out there with the best chance of winning. Thomas, while having a bad year, is 16-5-2 in the Ryder/Presidents Cups. That’s hard to ignore
This post was edited on 8/24/23 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:48 pm to lsufball19
He is 16-5-2 in my opinion mainly because he was playing great golf and one of the best in the world during that time
That unfortunately for the US isn’t the case right now. I just don’t think the Ryder cup would magically make him better. Europe thought that about poulter last cup. Just wasn’t the case
That unfortunately for the US isn’t the case right now. I just don’t think the Ryder cup would magically make him better. Europe thought that about poulter last cup. Just wasn’t the case
Posted on 8/24/23 at 11:06 pm to lsupride87
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He is 16-5-2 in my opinion mainly because he was playing great golf and one of the best in the world during that time
Some players simply thrive in that environment. Ian Poulter, for example, is 15-8-2 in the Ryder Cup.
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Europe thought that about poulter last cup.
Poulter played well last Ryder Cup. He won his singles match. It wasn’t his fault Rory shite all over himself in his other two matches.
This post was edited on 8/24/23 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 8/25/23 at 7:33 am to lsupride87
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He is 16-5-2 in my opinion mainly because he was playing great golf and one of the best in the world during that time
That unfortunately for the US isn’t the case right now
It's obvious that JT in 23 isn't normal JT. But in Ryder cup perspective he's a lot closer to normal JT than Tour JT.
Meaning: he has had some major screw up holes. A tour pro shoots a 10 in Thurs/Fri .. He is going home. He cards a 10 in Ryder cup.. ehh that equates to a bogey ( or even a par). JT has had a season where some 9s 10s ...11s have derailed rounds but he still makes birdies
Posted on 8/25/23 at 7:46 am to lsupride87
quote:And how many of those matches vs singles matches are there?
He has been good in fourball and foursomes
When you start adding that up and figure out “oh shite it’s that much?” Lemme know
Posted on 8/25/23 at 8:27 am to llfshoals
I mean you said he is great in match play. I’m sorry I actually posted his match play stats 
You want to talk about someone who is actually a killer in match play? Kisner
He is 22-7-2. Yet, never gets even a chance.
You want to talk about someone who is actually a killer in match play? Kisner
He is 22-7-2. Yet, never gets even a chance.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 8:30 am to lsupride87
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You want to talk about someone who is actually a killer in match play? Kisner
He is 22-7-2. Yet, never gets even a chance.
The only time he was even a possibility was last Ryder Cup. They picked Scotty instead. That worked out well.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 9:46 am to lsupride87
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You want to talk about someone who is actually a killer in match play? Kisner
He is 22-7-2. Yet, never gets even a chance.
He'd be a great pick if the Ryder Cup was held at Austin Country Club. he would've been a horrific pick at Whistling Straits
This post was edited on 8/25/23 at 9:47 am
Posted on 8/25/23 at 9:50 am to lsupride87
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I mean you said he is great in match play. I’m sorry I actually posted his match play stats
Or rather you left out a good chunk of his match play stats and team event results to try to manufacture a point. You realize "match play" encompasses more than just singles matches, right? And you realize there is only one day of singles matches in the Ryder Cup right?
Seems your argument against Thomas is "well, he hasn't done well at the WGC Match Play event on tour historically," which accounts for 12 of his 14 singles match play event losses
This post was edited on 8/25/23 at 9:59 am
Posted on 8/25/23 at 10:20 am to lsufball19
To me, a great match play player would not have a losing record in singles. He just wouldn’t.
You don’t agree there?
You want to say JT is a fantastic team event player, I will 100% agree, which I do think holds weight because golfers aren’t used to team play, and some seem to be better and some worse in that environment
On the other end of that spectrum I would say Tiger is an excellent match play player(34-11-4), although he has a losing Ryder cup team record
I don’t think JT would be a horrific pick due to his Ryder cup success, but his current very poor play makes it not a slam dunk to me
You don’t agree there?
You want to say JT is a fantastic team event player, I will 100% agree, which I do think holds weight because golfers aren’t used to team play, and some seem to be better and some worse in that environment
On the other end of that spectrum I would say Tiger is an excellent match play player(34-11-4), although he has a losing Ryder cup team record
I don’t think JT would be a horrific pick due to his Ryder cup success, but his current very poor play makes it not a slam dunk to me
This post was edited on 8/25/23 at 10:27 am
Posted on 8/25/23 at 10:31 am to lsupride87
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want to talk about someone who is actually a killer in match play? Kisner He is 22-7-2. Yet, never gets even a chance.
Sadly, a friend played with Kisner recently.
Kisner is struggling at best right now.
I guess people go through things.
Bradley and Morikawa seem to be playing themselves into picks.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 10:40 am to lsupride87
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You want to say JT is a fantastic team event player, I will 100% agree
Then what are you arguing here? The Ryder Cup is a team event
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but his current very poor play makes it not a slam dunk to me
none of the captains picks that are up in the air right now would be slam dunk picks
This post was edited on 8/25/23 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/25/23 at 4:40 pm to lsufball19
JT can be a vice captain. That is what he earned. Morikawa is playing his way on the team right now.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:39 am to lsupride87
JT historically has been a great team match play guy. 16-5-2 is pretty damn impressive. Plus the Europeans loathe him.
I think 5 people are locks:
Brooks
Spieth
Morikawa
Fowler
Cam Young
6th spot is pretty open. Personally, I’d rather go JT over Keegan Bradley, Russell Henley, or Lucas Glover but I wouldn’t be upset if JT wasn’t picked.
I think 5 people are locks:
Brooks
Spieth
Morikawa
Fowler
Cam Young
6th spot is pretty open. Personally, I’d rather go JT over Keegan Bradley, Russell Henley, or Lucas Glover but I wouldn’t be upset if JT wasn’t picked.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:07 am to Dawgsontop34
JT hasn’t won in well over a year. He hadn’t won in a year prior to that. He used to be good(not great).
Phil and tiger used to be great. They shouldn’t be on the team either.
Too many guys playing well right now to waste a slot on JT.
Phil and tiger used to be great. They shouldn’t be on the team either.
Too many guys playing well right now to waste a slot on JT.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:09 pm to Chipand2Putts
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JT hasn’t won in well over a year.
Winning to me is a bad way to look at who should be on the Ryder Cup team.
I’d rather have someone who is consistently good (JT does not qualify for that, this is probably Russell Henley) or someone who gets up for team events (like a JT)
Phil and Tiger have nowhere near the Ryder Cup record JT does
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:02 pm to Dawgsontop34
quote:But tiger is 27-15-2 in presidents cup
Phil and Tiger have nowhere near the Ryder Cup record JT does
So does he get really hyped in presidents cup and tank Ryder cup? I think alot of the four balls foursomes matches is very very random. I think at the end of the day the best philosophy is taking the best golfer you think at the time
This post was edited on 8/26/23 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:10 pm to lsupride87
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So does he get really hyped in presidents cup and tank Ryder cup?
I think his partners get more nervous in the Ryder Cup. He attempted to carry Steve Stricker’s corpse in Medinah, but there’s a lot more formidable opposition in the Ryder Cup (at least historically)
JT has been good at both. I do think there is some randomness to it (where you play great and get beat by a random team or play like shite and still win) but I do think there’s a lot of nerves those last few holes and I do think that’s where certain guys (Poulter, Sergio, JT) excel.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 7:44 pm to Dawgsontop34
quote:Hard to argue against his synergy with Speith in foursomes.
I do think there’s a lot of nerves those last few holes and I do think that’s where certain guys (Poulter, Sergio, JT) excel.
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