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Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:50 am
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:50 am
I'm looking for some help increasing my REM sleep. I'm getting 7-8 hours of total sleep a night but I top out at only about 40 minutes of REM. Last night only 8 minutes. This is according to a garmin watch so idk how accurate it is but it's a consistent trend. Sleep is something I've been trying to prioritize and I made a big change last year to start going to bed within an hour of the same time every night, even on weekends. I've also been doing dry January so alcohol hasn't been an issue.

I already lift weights 3 days per week, don't eat processed foods, track my macros, and limit caffeine to one cup of coffee in the mornings and preworkout only once per week also only in the morning. 16.0% body fat on an inbody. I do work on a computer all day but I use the blue light filter on both my computer and phone screens. I also take 350 mg of magnesium glycinate before bed. Anything else I can be doing?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:05 am to
I don’t know if you are far off to be honest. I train pretty much every day, and I average about 90 minutes of REM. On days I don’t, I’m in the 45 minute range.

Are you feeling tired or run down? If not, you are probably getting enough
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44186 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:11 am to
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garmin watch



My Garmin watch hates me. It hates my marathon training plan. It hates my sleep results. It routinely mocks me.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
14400 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:58 am to
I wouldn't worry about it unless you're falling asleep at your desk. My Apple Watch says I won't get REM sleep for three days in a row, but I may have 90 minutes of "deep" sleep on a good night. The watches seem to estimate what phase you're in with heart rate and breathing rate, so it's not infallible.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39104 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:34 am to
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REM Sleep
What is your deep sleep? I find that's the most relevant tracker for me.

Here's my advice:

Try to get to bed by 10PM. 11 at the latest.

Have your last bite of food no later than 6PM. (I know this is a hard one, but I think it really matters).

Try to wear a constant glucose monitor for a couple of weeks to see what your glucose levels are like as you go to bed. You want them below 100 and ideally below 90 at that time and they can sometimes be sneaky high. The 6PM cut off should help with that, but if it's staying high, you can go for a quick walk or something.

Don't do any hard exercise within, say, 2 hours of bedtime.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29538 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:35 am to
It may be worth a conversation with your doctor about getting a sleep study. You can be doing everything right and still have apnea hindering your sleep cycle. Apnea isn't just a fat person problem, though it's ore likely. I'm an active guy with healthy habits and stats, but I still have to sleep with an APAP to get good sleep.

Sleep studies these days are super easy. They give you a ring to wear at home, then they download the data. No more staying overnight in lab with shite hooked up to you.
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
13706 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:44 am to
My Doc said Deep Sleep much more important than REM.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:51 am to
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My Doc said Deep Sleep much more important than REM


REM sleep has huge impacts on cognitive function, mood regulation, and brain function so they’re both pretty damn important.

The most important thing we do, actuallly
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39104 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:20 pm to
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My Doc said Deep Sleep much more important than REM.
It's important to get an adequate quantity of both. However, I have found nights with diminished deep sleep hit the hardest. Like, I can sleep right in my optimal zone of 7-8 hours, but if deep sleep is less than an hour, I'll still feel crappy in the AM.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
33238 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 1:01 pm to
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My Garmin watch hates me. It hates my marathon training plan. It hates my sleep results. It routinely mocks me.

every garmin watch hates its wearer. its how it be.
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
12123 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:39 pm to
Deep sleep seems to be around 1.5 hours per night and I do feel good so maybe I'm fine

quote:

Have your last bite of food no later than 6PM.

This is something I could definitely improve
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11545 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 6:26 am to
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Have your last bite of food no later than 6PM.


Can someone explain the mechanism here?
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18578 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 8:45 am to
After reading this thread i wore my apple watch to sleep just to see what my numbers were:

22 min awake - 3%
84 min REM - 19%
298 min core (or light) - 69%
36 min deep - 8%

how bad am i going to die?

eta: yesterday was kind of abnormal as we had bball til 9 and didn't eat supper til after that. Maybe i should wear it for a week and average it out...
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 9:17 am
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44186 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:28 am to
Last night was the perfect example....


If you had asked me how I slept, I would have said poorly. Woke up multiple times, tossed and turned a bit, and generally didn't do well. Garmin sleep score: 90.

On nights that I sleep like a rock, it's almost always poor.
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18578 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:32 am to
oooh, i wonder if apple gives a score like that...? i can tell at some point i woke up i had to use the bathroom but didnt feel like getting up so i went back to sleep then woke up 2h later and went to the bathroom. my sleep in that interval looked bad...
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
6865 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:00 pm to
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I also take 350 mg of magnesium glycinate before bed.

I take 2 of these before bed, and I get at least one solid REM cycle a night. Maybe change up the type you take, and that can help. Good luck.

Cardiovascular Research - Magnesium Taurate

Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49904 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:22 pm to
CBD at night helps
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39104 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 3:06 pm to
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had bball til 9 and didn't eat supper til after that.
Yeah, that is...suboptimal.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
33238 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

It's important to get an adequate quantity of both. However, I have found nights with diminished deep sleep hit the hardest. Like, I can sleep right in my optimal zone of 7-8 hours, but if deep sleep is less than an hour, I'll still feel crappy in the AM.
Both are important. I think you need longer intervals of Deep sleep than REM for optimal rest.
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