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re: 1908 national championship
Posted on 2/1/26 at 11:24 pm to lsutiger74
Posted on 2/1/26 at 11:24 pm to lsutiger74
I've been saying this , It's a Legit idea, that needs more Support
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Posted on 2/2/26 at 6:49 am to MikeTheTiger71
Yes, it is very obvious. Look at scores & competition.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 7:07 am to MikeTheTiger71
Wrong. 1 of 3 selected LSU. 2 of 3 selected Penn.
LSU clearly had a more dominant season as well.
LSU clearly had a more dominant season as well.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 9:09 am to BigNastyTiger417
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Yes, it is very obvious. Look at scores & competition.
I just went through a thorough examination of the competition. Did you not even look at it? They played 4 minor opponents, Haskell Indians who were 3-5-1 (1-4 vs major opponents), and 5 Southern opponents. Arkansas and Auburn were the only ones with winning records and Arkansas was only 5-4 (2-3 vs major opponents). Auburn had a good win over Sewanee who tied Vanderbilt, but it was a down year for those two Southern powers. Sewanee tied St Louis and Vandy lost to Michigan and Ohio State, who wasn’t even major at the time. For all LSU’s impressive victory margins, against that one quality opponent in Auburn, they only won 10-2. The South just weren’t at the level of the Northeast and Big 10 (Western Conference) at that point in time. They were at best G5 level, maybe even FCS.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 9:12 am to BigNastyTiger417
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Wrong. 1 of 3 selected LSU. 2 of 3 selected Penn. LSU clearly had a more dominant season as well.
Show me a selector who didn’t pick Penn. The NCF that selected LSU also selected Penn. The other 2 picked Penn alone. The NCF is considered a major selector in that era, but they made several very odd selections, including picking LSU as co-champs in 1908 when everyone else selected Penn alone.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:18 pm to mdomingue
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The NCAA recognizes it, that's the wild part.
And that is why it must be recognized by LSU...
Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:38 pm to mdomingue
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The NCAA recognizes it, that's the wild part.
What is your definition of NCAA recognition? They publish 4 lists with different sets of selectors included. None is in any sense of the word an “official” list of champions. It’s just informational.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:58 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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What is your definition of NCAA recognition?
This
https://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs
and this
https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/college-football-national-championship-history
Does the NCAA not directly recognize any champions, so are any claims legitimate?
Those lists recognize legitimate selectors and their choices, which include the undefeated 10-0 1908 LSU Tigers and 11-0-1 1908 Penn Quakers.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 1:08 pm to mdomingue
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Those lists recognize legitimate selectors and their choices, which include the undefeated 10-0 1908 LSU Tigers and 11-0-1 1908 Penn Quakers.
That list is simply one of the 4 lists from the NCAA Record Book. If you are going to use inclusion in an NCAA publication to legitimize NC selections, then that includes 2017 UCF, 1941 Alabama, and 7 of the 9 titles Auburn now claims.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 1:22 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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If you are going to use inclusion in an NCAA publication to legitimize NC selections, then that includes 2017 UCF, 1941 Alabama, and 7 of the 9 titles Auburn now claims
The links I posted do not include either 1917 UCF, 1941 Alabama, and only the two legitimate Auburn NCs.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 2:06 pm to mdomingue
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The links I posted do not include either 1917 UCF, 1941 Alabama, and only the two legitimate Auburn NCs.
And the link to the NCAA Record Book I posted before includes lists of national champions that show those teams as NC winners. Why is one link “official” but the other is not?
Posted on 2/2/26 at 2:14 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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Why is one link “official” but the other is not?
You are the one who wandered down the "official" path. I merely stated recognition, and I simply posted the links I used to justify that. I did not see the link that you posted.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 2:35 pm to TheBear60
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Forget 1908...let's work on 2026.
Not sure why we cant do both. Multitasking. As mentioned already, LSU is recognized by legit entities (NCAA), not Bob the butchers poll.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 3:55 pm to mdomingue
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You are the one who wandered down the "official" path. I merely stated recognition, and I simply posted the links I used to justify that. I did not see the link that you posted.
The point is you are trying to use the publication of a list by the NCAA as a means of legitimizing an NC claim. The problem with that argument is that the NCAA publishes multiple lists with different sets of selectors in the NCAA Record Book every year, including the list you linked. If an NCAA link legitimizes an NC claim for LSU in 1908, then inclusion in the NCAA Record Book should legitimize the other bogus claims I mentioned using the same logic.
Here is the link. (I can’t use the link functionality because it doesn’t start with http.) Click on National Poll Rankings in the document and scroll through the following pages. You’ll find 1941 Alabama, 2017 UCF, and most of Auburn’s bogus claims.
fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2022/FBS.pdf
Posted on 2/2/26 at 5:08 pm to MikeTheTiger71
quote:Nobody can find if that ranking even existed.
There was some computer ratings system that’s not even amongst the large number of computer ratings
Posted on 2/2/26 at 6:49 pm to lsutiger74
We aren't Alabama.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 9:58 pm to Geaux Tahel
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LSU is recognized by legit entities (NCAA), not Bob the butchers poll.
Do you even know who the National Championship Foundation is that selected LSU in 1908? It wasn’t the NCAA. It was a self-appointed committee from the 1980s who went back and selected national championship retroactively. There aren’t many selectors to choose from for the pre-AP poll era, so the ones that do exist are granted some degree of legitimacy by default. The problem is that the NCF was quite often out of step with the other retroactive selectors, including being the only one to select LSU in 1908 and the only one not to select Penn alone. (They had them as co-champs.)
NCF Summary
From Wikipedia pulled from a referenced primary source:
quote:
National Championship Foundation (1980-2001): Established by Mike Riter of Hudson, New York, the foundation has more than 120 chapters in 47 states, with a membership base of more than 12,000.
So, it’s really just a bunch of fans who decided to get together and vote on who they think should have been the national champions 70+ years earlier. Sounds like exactly the kind of source you were mocking.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 10:09 pm to Morgus
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We aren't Alabama.
We are trying to get to their level
Posted on 2/2/26 at 10:32 pm to MikeTheTiger71
Posted on 2/2/26 at 10:45 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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Wrong. The NCAA does not claim UCF in 2017 nor Auburn’s false titles.
You clearly have no intention of educating yourself on this topic. I gave you the link to the NCAA Record Book which absolutely does list UCF in 2017. I agree with you the NCAA doesn’t “claim” anything. They’re just passing along information that you can decide for yourself whether it’s legitimate. What you can’t do is use being included in an NCAA link as proof of legitimacy since there are plenty of bogus selectors in the NCAA link below.
fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2022/FBS.pdf
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