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re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:27 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:27 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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They're grumbling at Florida State, Miami, Southern Cal, So Carolina, Texas, half a dozen Big-10 schools, etc.
And Maybe Southern Cal could afford to do what we’re doing.
FSU is natoriously cheap with assistants. One of the reasons Jimbo left. They had a championship team and their DC got hired away by UGA. They’re also bad.
Miami is a trash heap
South Carolina isn’t spending what we’re spending on assistants, and he’ll be competing in SC with Clemson for recruits.
Texas just won 10 games for the first time since 2009, so this one was fricking retarded.
And “a half dozen Big 10 teams” aren’t in super rich recruiting states.
Sorry but just listing names and saying etc... doesn’t mean that those would be similar situations.
AND the whole arguement is that we’re extending him early. If someone actually offered him we could always match, but if someone was offering him it would have been leaked for leverage purposes.
O has never shown he’s capable of rebuilding a program. He took over a very talented LSU and has had 1 double digit winning season and 1 single digit recruiting class.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 11:33 am
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:30 am to LSU Groupee
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You like facts:
63-10!...since he hasn't done any of the things we wanted him to do.
What does this have to do with anything I wrote?
As above, I haven't written anything one way or another about whether O should or shouldn't get more money or an extension.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:31 am to BigSlick
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It never ceases to amaze me that people think they're so brilliant they can deduce what someone else is thinking or implying from a black-and-white list of facts. Maybe he was just putting facts out there for discussion. Ever thought of that?
No, because again, I am familiar with the poster. I could infer his intentions, which have been verified by the OP's subsequent posts in this thread. But keeping running around in those circles, friend.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:34 am to BigSlick
This isn’t the first thread on this topic to happen, and we already know the OPs opinion.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:42 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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No direct requests to the AD to interview O, maybe. But the agent to analyst grapevine is ALWAYS open and ALWAYS churning. And O has a very salable story - top-10 & can recruit SEC country.
The NegaTigers have been "pronouncing" that there's no interest. Pure bullshite. They don't have a clue!
Fair enough. For the sake of discussion, please tell us those big time programs who have quietly suggested they have interest in Orgeron?
This list of better programs/opportunities than LSU is relatively short. LSU sits in a very talent rich recruiting area. Which inures in Ed's benefit since the biggest (perhaps only) strength of his HC abilities is recruiting. But more than that, LSU is a program that is willing and able to attribute substantial money/resources to its football program. LSU had the financial ability to pony up when Miles was being courted by other programs and they have done the same with Aranda.
So the simple question is which big time program out there do you think is willing to pay Orgeron not just the $3.5 mill LSU currently pays him, but the several million more LSU COULD pay him if forced to match? Alabama? Notre Dame? Ohio State? Michigan? Oklahoma? Texas? That's LSU's competition in the coaching hire world. Not Kansas St., Illinois, or Oregon St.
LSU financially and in their ability to compete is in the Big Leagues of college football. If O wants to go have less success at Arizona, or Kentucky, or Oregon St. in exchange for a slight pay bump...then more power to him. But there isn't a SINGLE major player with the financial and competitive resources to match LSU that is out there quietly looking to snatch Orgeron.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:42 am to SammyTiger
quote:There may be more skeletons in Herman's closet than has come out yet. Just sayin - Zach Smith is hell-bent to take him down
Texas just won 10 games for the first time since 2009, so this one was fricking retarded.
quote:They will love O's deep South and So Cal recruiting connections. Urban Meyer shattered that in-state-only recruiting thing.
And “a half dozen Big 10 teams” aren’t in super rich recruiting states.
And, many of the B1G schools just want to be relevant -they don't expect a Natty every season. And many are loaded with deep-pocket boosters - they'll pony up if they think an HC can take them up a level.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 11:45 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:47 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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They're grumbling at Florida State, Miami, Southern Cal, So Carolina, Texas, half a dozen Big-10 schools, etc
Fine. If/when those jobs become available and if/when Orgeron is a legitimate candidate for any of them, then LSU can negotiate accordingly. But RIGHT NOW Orgeron has a market of ONE...LSU. Why in the world would LSU negotiate against ITSELF based strictly on unrealistic speculation?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:47 am to gar90
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It’s because he doesn’t have a buyout clause at all. He has a guaranteed contract. As long as he doesn’t retire he will get all $75 million over 10 years whether he’s coaching or not.
It's still a buyout. Yes, it's a fully guaranteed contract, but the buyout clause is that his entire salary is guaranteed. Not sure of the timeline for repayment for Jimbo, but Sumlin's was within 60 days of termination and so was Sherman's. In short, the contract being fully guaranteed doesn't mean it's not still a buyout. It's still a buyout, the buyout is just the full amount remaining on the contract not some reduced amount like you see in most buyout clauses.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:49 am to Alt26
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LSU financially and in their ability to compete is in the Big Leagues of college football. If O wants to go have less success at Arizona, or Kentucky, or Oregon St. in exchange for a slight pay bump...then more power to him. But there isn't a SINGLE major player with the financial and competitive resources to match LSU that is out there quietly looking to snatch Orgeron.
LSU has devoted strong financial support to the program. But you're nuts if you think other programs can't match LSU dollar for dollar, if they make the choice to do so.
You mentioned Oregon. You think Phil Knight can't match any check written by an LSU booster.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:50 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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There may be more skeletons in Herman's closet than has come out yet. Just sayin - Zach Smith is hell-bent to take him down
Delusional
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They will love O's deep South and So Cal recruiting connections. Urban Meyer shattered that in-state-only recruiting thing. And, many of the B1G schools just want to be relevant -they don't expect a Natty every season. And many are loaded with deep-pocket boosters - they'll pony up if they think an HC can take them up a level.
People don’t shell out money just to be relevant. Again this is just delusional.
He’s not getting hired at Ohio State Michigan or Penn state
Who else is paying him over 3.5 mill to be “relevant” you think he can really sell Purdue to kids from Louisiana? And his “California ties” have landed LSU 1 commit. Who’s not on compass closed to signed.
Again, he’s not going to do at Michigan State or Maryland what he’s doing at LSU.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 11:51 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:51 am to Alt26
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Fair enough. For the sake of discussion, please tell us those big time programs who have quietly suggested they have interest in Orgeron?
I’ll save you the time, he can’t and won’t give a direct answer. It will be something along the lines of “start with anyone who finished outside the top 10 in the polls and recruiting.” Then you’re just supposed to believe someone like Washington would prefer Orgeron over Peterson.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:51 am to rob62
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A&M is absolutely stupid and I do think this will blow up in their faces. Guaranteeing a coach 7.5 million with absolutely zero performance requirements is just flat stupid.
That means Jimbo can go 0-12 for 3 years and he is still owed 7.5 million per year for every year remaining on his 10 year contract. I can't even imagine what Jimmy Sexton thought about this arrangement. Watch Sexton push for extensions of this laughable contract.
A&M has done this with almost every coach they've ever hired. I guess their BOT feels like it's a sure-fire way of getting who they want, when they want. They have the money to do it, so it really doesn't matter to them how unconscionable it appears to anyone else. They did the same with Sumlin and Sherman before him. And just for reference, no coach has performance requirements in their contracts, only performance bonuses. I also don't think 7.5 million/year is a big deal compared to what coaches are making now. He has good resume that warrants that much, per year. The part that makes the contract absurd is the length and it being fully guaranteed.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:52 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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But you're nuts if you think other programs can't match LSU dollar for dollar, if they make the choice to do so.
But they dont!
Harvard could outspend LSU in football, they just don’t and they aren’t going to start
We either have the highest or second highest support staff in the country, and the other team up there is Clemson, who keeps giving their coaches raises for winning championships
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:58 am to dgnx6
Right, you can make that argument if you want, but that deserves another thread.
Regardless if you thought the hire was stupid, or that Alleva's process was shambolic in every way imaginable, Orgeron has not driven the program off the road into the ditch.
Yes he is the only coach in 125 years of LSU football to lose to a Sun Belt team. Yes he is still hovering around .500 for his career. But in 2 years he is 19-7, which means that LSU has gotten a decent ROI thus far.
However, getting a decent ROI thus far is not grounds for a raise or an extension. If anything it simply confirms that the numbers agreed upon in the first place were the right numbers.
Regardless if you thought the hire was stupid, or that Alleva's process was shambolic in every way imaginable, Orgeron has not driven the program off the road into the ditch.
Yes he is the only coach in 125 years of LSU football to lose to a Sun Belt team. Yes he is still hovering around .500 for his career. But in 2 years he is 19-7, which means that LSU has gotten a decent ROI thus far.
However, getting a decent ROI thus far is not grounds for a raise or an extension. If anything it simply confirms that the numbers agreed upon in the first place were the right numbers.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:58 am to SammyTiger
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But they dont!
Harvard could outspend LSU in football, they just don’t and they aren’t going to start
Nebraska ponied up to get Scott Frost. Warren Buffett has been a booster since his dad was.
Thinking that LSU is the only program that can afford staff is just silly. Meyer brought the SEC "pay the coaches" mentality to the B1G It has caught on. Have you seen Northwesten's new field house?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:58 am to The Pirate King
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Wait are you telling me Ed’s buyout is below where it should be? Impossible. All the bellyachers here have been whining that it’s insane that he has so high of a buyout
Ed O's buyout is at 5.2MM right now. We know he won't be fired after next year barring something that is honestly inconceivable, so we pretty much know he'll be here at least through the 2020 season. If he's extended 2 years and his buyout at the end of the 2020 season is still around 5.2MM, no rational and logical person should care. Buyouts are only relevant when they become necessary (i.e. you are firing your coach). 5.2MM is nothing today. If he needs to be fired after the 2020 season and all we have to pay is ~5.2MM to get rid of him, we'll be fine. I think the people objecting to any of this, if I'm being honest, are those who have wanted Orgeron gone all along and any contract that delays what they want to happen is going to cause their reaction to be that extending him is stupid. They'll, nonetheless, argue in circles about this extension but never admit the real reason why they don't want it.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:02 pm to SammyTiger
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People don’t shell out money just to be relevant. Again this is just delusional.
He’s not getting hired at Ohio State Michigan or Penn state
Will Muschamp was making 4.2MM this year at USC. He went 7-6 and barely has a .500 record over three years. He was hired at USC after getting fired at Florida. No one is looking to hire him, but he received a raise and extension this offseason all the same. No, they do not have the same expectation at USC as we do at LSU, but Stever Spurrier had three straight 11 win season not too long ago and won a division title, so I think it's fair to say their expectations are greater than what Muschamp has accomplished there in 3 seasons.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:02 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Northwestern's 270 million dollar fieldhouse - the Boosters stepped up.
Big 10 schools can't find an extra 4 or 5 million for staff?
LOL, Gimme an f'n break.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:03 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
But they also assume Scott frost will turn the offense around. They aren’t paying 2.5 million for his offensive coordinator.
They have a pool of like 5 million dollars for all assistants plus the S&C coach
We pay ours 6.9 million. 1.9 million extra for coordinators is huge.
And again, how the frick you think o would do at Nebraska?
And again, none of them are in the market for a coach right now, and none of them have any of the other advantages LSU has that elevate O.
They have a pool of like 5 million dollars for all assistants plus the S&C coach
We pay ours 6.9 million. 1.9 million extra for coordinators is huge.
And again, how the frick you think o would do at Nebraska?
And again, none of them are in the market for a coach right now, and none of them have any of the other advantages LSU has that elevate O.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:07 pm to SammyTiger
BTW, Ohio State is paying the most for assistants - expect other Big -10 schools to follow the leader
1. Ohio State: $7,383,938
2. Clemson: $6,825,000
3. Texas A&M: $6,789,640
4. Auburn: $6,555,600
5. LSU: $6,470,000
6. Georgia: $6,420,000
7. Alabama: $6,123,723
8. Texas: $5,955,000
9. Michigan: $5,875,000
10. Florida State: $5,715,000
1. Ohio State: $7,383,938
2. Clemson: $6,825,000
3. Texas A&M: $6,789,640
4. Auburn: $6,555,600
5. LSU: $6,470,000
6. Georgia: $6,420,000
7. Alabama: $6,123,723
8. Texas: $5,955,000
9. Michigan: $5,875,000
10. Florida State: $5,715,000
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 12:08 pm
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