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re: Correcting some important information in the Will Wade situation
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:28 pm to TigerLunatik
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:28 pm to TigerLunatik
No, that absolutely does not accuse Wade of being guilty. That is clarifying how Smart can be cleared and yet not eliminate the allegations against Wade. It clarifying why he needs to be suspended until he helps the university answer those allegations.
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Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:29 pm to TigerLunatik
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I'm interested in your opinion on if Wade was allowed to coach after the 2nd report came out, then 3 or 4 more came out with Wade on them and it ended up to be true.
Of course it depends on the details. However, it's extremely difficult to express an opinion on a hypothetical especially on one that is undefined and open ended.
But in terms of this particular situation I'm going to repost what I posted 5 days ago.
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Alleva with the help of the administration should have done the following:Posted on 3/10/19 at 11:37 am
1. Ask themselves the question, “what are the consequences of forcing a meeting with WW in response to the Yahoo article?”
A. WW complies and they have the meeting. Consequence: Dawkins defense team subpoenas all parties to that meeting. Risk: LSU is potentially exposed to more issues.
B. WW listens to the advise of his attorney and refuses to meet. Consequences: Alleva is forced to suspend WW for insubordination. This is where we are currently.
2. If Alleva and F King do not like the answers to question one there was another option:
A. Have the meeting after the April 17 trial. This accomplished the following:
i. Allows WW and Smart to coach and play for the remainder of the season. Alleva would have had to issue a statement tantamount to: “LSU is very disappointed with the Yahoo Sports article published by Pat Ford on Thursday. The FBI wire tap information in the article between CWW and Dawkins is extremely concerning to LSU and we in the LSU administration will do everything possible to protect the intuition of LSU and its basketball program. With that said, at this time we believe that the Yahoo Sports article does not paint a full picture. This is a continuing internal investigation that started in earnest in October of 2018 due to media reports concerning this matter. Internally LSU coordinating with our NCAA compliance department will bring this manner to a swift and complete resolution. Our objective is to maintain the integrity of LSU as an institution, the LSU basketball program and college basketball. Upon the completion of our internal investigation we will release the findings to the public, good or bad, in the name of transparency and maintaining institutional integrity. Thank you and have a nice day.”
ii. It totally changes the nature of the meeting between WW and administration if the meeting occurs after April 17 to the benefit of LSU.
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This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:31 pm to JohnnyU
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Why some seem more concerned about Will Wade than LSU is beyond me. If Wade ends up getting LSU places on probation are all of his defenders going to still love him? Not me.
Well, when we're actually put on probation then I'll put the blame where it belongs.
I'm not going to act as if we're already on probation when Wade is not even the subject of any official investigation.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:32 pm to Adam Banks
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What self respecting coach is going to come here knowing that all it takes is one internet article to have our administration throwing them under the bus
One that isn’t fueled by emotion, irrationality, & immaturity
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:32 pm to Lester Earl
Dude it’s pointless, people have completely lost their minds. Blinded by anger and what I assume is some kind of grief.
I do think it’s legitimate to question how the administration has handled this along with other things. On the point about not having a right to not speak with his employer, he has no guarantee what he says there won’t be leaked or otherwise used against him at a later time
I do think it’s legitimate to question how the administration has handled this along with other things. On the point about not having a right to not speak with his employer, he has no guarantee what he says there won’t be leaked or otherwise used against him at a later time
This post was edited on 3/17/19 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:32 pm to Lester Earl
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Lester
Jeezus Dude. How far can one poster fall?
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:32 pm to Lester Earl
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Denying what specifically?
The implication of guilt resulting from the leaked portion of the wiretap transcript.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:35 pm to JohnnyU
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Why? In any situation where an employee may have violated company policy, committed a serious offense or put the organization or others at risk, the employer has a right and duty to question that employee. This is no different.
Propose a generic straw man then claim "this is not different".
Come on man.
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This occurs all the time.
This exact situation does not occur all the time. In fact this situation is unique.
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Why some seem more concerned about Will Wade than LSU is beyond me.
Because by hurting WW in this situation you exacerbate LSU's problems.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:36 pm to Golfer
quote:Two very important points. They are directly related and one doesn't happen without the other.
1. Recent history says that playing nice with the NCAA gets you in more trouble than playing hardball.
2. This would have been LSU’s first meeting with Wade following the second wiretap from Forde. Why on earth would you let the NCAA in on that before meeting internally to make sure everyone is on the same page?
Without the conscious decision to play nice with the NCAA you don't let the NCAA come to the first meeting following the publishing of that article.
I'll make this point to put a cherry on top:
Every entity that would've been in that meeting had a duty to LSU, directly or indirectly, but one.
BoS, Alleva, and FKA obviously have a duty to LSU
Wade has a duty to LSU as a contracted employee.
LSU counsel obviously has a double duty to LSU
Wade's lawyers have a primary duty to their client, which means indirectly to LSU
The only one in that room who has no duty to LSU: the NCAA
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
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It clarifying why he needs to be suspended until he helps the university answer those allegations.
IMO there should have been another sentence after the illegal offer comment that said that "we need to hear Coach Wade address this with us before he can return to the court." It was left open ended and open to interpretation. Is that LSU's fault or the person relaying the info? Tough to tell, but it looks bad on LSU IMO.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:42 pm to Adam Banks
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We haven’t been competitive in 6-8 years anyways. Who cares.
I respect this position more than some of the others, it least it's honest.
But you have to be emember that the outcomes fans want don't always benefit LSU or the program
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:43 pm to Lester Earl
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One that isn’t fueled by emotion, irrationality, & immaturity
There are several logical reasons why elite coaches wouldn't come to work for this administration. Look at who we've hired before Wade.
Looking back seems like those that wouldn't give LSU the time of day knew what they were doing.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:43 pm to Lester Earl
Dude, let it go.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:43 pm to Tammany Tom
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Who gives a frick about sanctions?
Well, with that view I can see why it bothers you that Wade was benched
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:44 pm to Adam Banks
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one internet article to have our administration throwing them under the bus?
But this, I cant imagine anyone seriously believes
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:47 pm to TigerLunatik
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it looks bad on LSU IMO.
Oh, I'll agree that it should've been phrased better. But that's a far cry from accusing him of being guilty. C'mon, people.
I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. LSU is going to keep Wade suspended through the postseason and the trial date. If there are no other revelations, Wade can then deny any wrongdoing and resume coaching.
There's no way that LSU is going to fire him, absent other allegations. Wade is a winner, and John Bel Edwards wants to be re-elected. If they were going to fire him, they could've already done that.
And Wade isn't going to quit. He'd owe LSU $10 million.
So, my advice is to suck it up that this year's postseason is going to suffer, but remain optimistic that Will Wade will be coaching at LSU for many years to come.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:49 pm to GOP_Tiger
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LSU is going to keep Wade suspended through the postseason and the trial date. If there are no other revelations, Wade can then deny any wrongdoing and resume coaching.
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my advice is to suck it up that this year's postseason is going to suffer, but remain optimistic that Will Wade will be coaching at LSU for many years to come.
This pretty much sums up how I feel as well as a best case scenario.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:56 pm to mikelbr
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Jeezus Dude. How far can one poster fall?
That dude literally emailed SEC athletic departments on how they handle foreign language tests to win an internet argument.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:56 pm to TigerLunatik
Luni this is what I think will happen as well.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I'm on the side of morality doesn't belong in college athletics. Winning does.
I respect this position more than some of the others, it least it's honest.
But you have to be emember that the outcomes fans want don't always benefit LSU or the program
It's the corrupt system. You don't beat it, you win in it. You don't get rings for doing the right thing. Just the way I look at it.
In another post I mentioned fruit bowls full of cash on NCAA officials hotel tables. Stuff like this will come out in yet another Fed investigation/trial. Probably RICO, at best an anti-trust one.
But I digress... I see no reason to forego winning to be "better" than the one's who rigged the system to allow the maximum amount of corruption on their part to coincide with enforcement of wrongdoing on ours. The more the NCAA enforces the rules, the more corrupt it becomes.
quote:This is what I really wanted to address. Purely guessing and opinion on my part. But other than my lack of moral stance, from a pragmatic point of view, the winner in this will be the Feds. The loser will be the NCAA. What's best for LSU (again, guessing) is to be on the winning side- which is NOT with the NCAA. They will be the big losers over the next 2 years. Their monopoly is about to get dissolved. We don't want to be nesting with them. I think that's what's best for LSU.
But you have to be emember that the outcomes fans want don't always benefit LSU or the program
I keep wondering why the DOJ wanted to suppress a conversation on an FBI wiretap in which the indicted defendant was talking to a basketball head coach.
Is it because Wade is an informant? No, we've found that has no logic.
Is Dawkins an informant? No, he's indicted.
Was it all or none? Nope. Many wiretaps have no-crime talk on it and they are excluded as no in the domain of the wiretap warrant.
Is it because that portion of conversation was irrelevant to the investigation/trial? No, it obviously is.
The only thing I can come up with, why it wasn't admitted but read aloud into transcript: It is still a part of an ongoing investigation in which there is upcoming indictments or motions. I think that is the investigation into NCAA wrongdoing/negligence.
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