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re: Culotta is about to interview Kermit Davis
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:37 am to Skillet
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:37 am to Skillet
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O will lose Aranda & Canada to head coaching jobs sooner or later. As long as he keeps hiring that kind of talent
The OC search was a shite show. O was convinced his good buddy Kiffin was coming until he took a job making less money at Florida International (or somewhere like that).
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no reason we can't be in the BCS dance mix most every season.
Going to have to beat Florida in the Swamp two years in a row. We couldn't even beat them this year with a vastly superior team. They were missing like 1100 starters.
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:42 am to Choupique19
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The OC search was a shite show.
Kiffin is an excellent OC.
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Going to have to beat Florida in the Swamp two years in a row. We couldn't even beat them this year with a vastly superior team. They were missing like 1100 starters.
I concur. No excuses for that. Just like Jimbo giving up 100 points in a loss to Louisville. shite happens.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:50 am to Skillet
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O will lose Aranda & Canada to head coaching jobs sooner or later. As long as he keeps hiring that kind of talent, no reason we can't be in the BCS dance mix most every season.
This is the problem. If this is the strategy, why not hire Aranda as HC, let him run the defense and go out and get the best OC that money can buy? At least under that scenario, you only have to replace one elite coordinator every couple of years.
If we are so convinced that Aranda is going to have HC offers in the near future, might as well give him the title now and avoid losing him and having to replace both coordinators in the near future?
People were so concerned with HC experience, so instead of taking a risk and hiring someone without any HC experience we hired someone who was a complete failure as a HC.
It makes zero sense.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:01 am to UpToPar
Again, give me names of HC's that were attainable and would be homerun hires?
Alleva got squashed by F King with Jimbo after the 15 season so Jimbo wasn't coming after the 16 season, and Herman was in love with Texas.
I'm not an Alleva fan, but I'm cool with O and am not sure of who all Joe should have searched because no one will throw out any awesome gettable coaching names.
Alleva got squashed by F King with Jimbo after the 15 season so Jimbo wasn't coming after the 16 season, and Herman was in love with Texas.
I'm not an Alleva fan, but I'm cool with O and am not sure of who all Joe should have searched because no one will throw out any awesome gettable coaching names.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:10 am to Skillet
people have shown names that have better resumes than O.
The "search" was a sham. If that boob of an AD was so fricking blown away by one guy showing up with a binder, perhaps had he interviewed several other people they would have had a chance to impress him as well.
The "search" was a sham. If that boob of an AD was so fricking blown away by one guy showing up with a binder, perhaps had he interviewed several other people they would have had a chance to impress him as well.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:15 am to Skillet
I'm not saying there were any "HCs that would be homerun hires," but you don't know if there were any better candidates unless you actually conduct a search. Here's a list of candidates that should have at least had an interview:
Gundy
Fedora
Fleck
Mullen
Mora
Lincoln Riley
You also at least call and gauge the interest of Chris Peterson and Gary Patterson (they may have done this, we don't know)
There's no rush. Orgeron wasn't going anywhere. I understand that you want to sure things up for recruiting, but a bad year recruiting is much easier to overcome than a bad coaching hire.
But, that wasn't even my point. My point was, if you hire your HC simply because he lets his coordinators coach and you have elite coordinators then why not just hire one of the elite coordinators as your HC and let them run 1 side of the ball. You decrease your chance of losing them to other HC offers and now only have to hire 1 elite coordinator every couple years.
Gundy
Fedora
Fleck
Mullen
Mora
Lincoln Riley
You also at least call and gauge the interest of Chris Peterson and Gary Patterson (they may have done this, we don't know)
There's no rush. Orgeron wasn't going anywhere. I understand that you want to sure things up for recruiting, but a bad year recruiting is much easier to overcome than a bad coaching hire.
But, that wasn't even my point. My point was, if you hire your HC simply because he lets his coordinators coach and you have elite coordinators then why not just hire one of the elite coordinators as your HC and let them run 1 side of the ball. You decrease your chance of losing them to other HC offers and now only have to hire 1 elite coordinator every couple years.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:16 am to BilJ
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people have shown names that have better resumes than O.
Les Miles' resume is way better than O's.
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The "search" was a sham. If that boob of an AD was so fricking blown away by one guy showing up with a binder, perhaps had he interviewed several other people they would have had a chance to impress him as well.
I like O. My main concern is Joe fricking up the basketball hire. LSU athletics (football) makes a gazillion $$$. Maybe Joe lucked in to that SEC money, but that bottom line will make it hard to get rid of him.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:17 am to Skillet
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Again, give me names of HC's that were attainable and would be homerun hires?
Alleva got squashed by F King with Jimbo after the 15 season so Jimbo wasn't coming after the 16 season, and Herman was in love with Texas.
I'm not an Alleva fan, but I'm cool with O and am not sure of who all Joe should have searched because no one will throw out any awesome gettable coaching names.
I think bigger issue people have is the way it was handled. Is O the best guy for the job? We'll find out. But basically what we know is that Alleva had some sort of discussions with Herman and there may or may not have been some kind of verbal agreement between the two. Texas then got involved and that was it for Joe. No further negotiations with Herman. No meeting with him to try to sell the LSU job. Nothing. Joe quickly turned around and ran to the podium with a guy who would be available TODAY, before the Mich/OSU game had even gone to halftime.
Now maybe Alleva could have never convinced Herman to come to LSU over Texas. But if he's your "guy", don't you at least make an effort to get him? And why was there such a hurry to lock up O? He wasn't getting other any power conf HC offers. You hired your fall back, then bid against yourself for him, before the season even ended. Who knows who may have been interested once the season ended?
I hope Ogeron exceeds ALL expectations here. But even if Alleva couldn't get a subjective "home run" hire, there were certainly other guys with a far better track record of success as a HC than Ogeron. Maybe those guys weren't as good of a "fit" as O (which Alleva seems to vacillate on whether or not that is important), but why not at least wait until the season ended to really look around? Alleva just looked stupid for triumphantly locking up a guy with less than stellar HC credentials before the coaching carousel even got going.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:18 am to UpToPar
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Gundy
Fedora
Fleck
Mullen
Mora
Lincoln Riley
I and I bet many others would rather O than those guys.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:21 am to Alt26
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But basically what we know is that Alleva had some sort of discussions with Herman and there may or may not have been some kind of verbal agreement between the two. Texas then got involved and that was it for Joe. No further negotiations with Herman. No meeting with him to try to sell the LSU job. Nothing. Joe quickly turned around and ran to the podium with a guy who would be available TODAY, before the Mich/OSU game had even gone to halftime.
Now maybe Alleva could have never convinced Herman to come to LSU over Texas. But if he's your "guy", don't you at least make an effort to get him? And why was there such a hurry to lock up O? He wasn't getting other any power conf HC offers. You hired your fall back, then bid against yourself for him, before the season even ended. Who knows who may have been interested once the season ended?
Perfect!!
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:25 am to Skillet
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I and I bet many others would rather O than those guys.
Based on what?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:26 am to josh336
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1 aranda has never failed as a head coach
He's never BEEN a head coach. I've never failed as a coach either. Doesn't mean I'd be suited to be one.
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Its clear listening to him speak that he is very football intelligent
There is 10x more to being a successful head coach than being "football intelligent" and anyone with a clue about football would tell you the same.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:26 am to Choupique19
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The OC search was a shite show
The HC search was a shite show. I thought Orgeron did a very good job making a hire at OC. Now, you could make a pretty good case that he floated the Kiffin name (knowing Kiffin was never really an option) to benefit himself and/or perhaps benefit Kiffin. Either way, he was able to land a high quality coordinator and he deserves credit for that.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:29 am to Skillet
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I and I bet many others would rather O than those guys.
Most people clamoring for O didn't give two shits about his ability to be a HC. They wanted him because he's a South Louisiana mascot. The fans wanted him based on emotion rather than logic, and that's okay. That's what fans are supposed to do.
It becomes a problem when the AD is making decisions based on what the fans want. He did it at the end of the 2015 season when he decided to keep Miles and he did it again when he decided to hire Orgeron. Why do we even have an AD again if he's just going to do what the fans want?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:35 am to Skillet
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Again, give me names of HC's that were attainable and would be homerun hires?
Are you really making the case that, on paper, Orgeron was the most qualified? Come on man. I get the argument that Orgeron is a great fit and that, given what LSU brings to the table, he's going to have great success. Hell, Miles had great success and he has many of the weaknesses people worry about O having. But, it's not even remotely reasonable to make the case that Orgeron was the most qualified. In fact, on paper, it was a terrible hire. Luckily, results aren't determined by paper.
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Alleva got squashed by F King with Jimbo after the 15 season so Jimbo wasn't coming after the 16 season
I can't for the life of me understand why so many people willingly accept as fact that Jimbo was signed, sealed, and delivered in '15...ESPECIALLY after seeing what happened this year. They were probably 80% of the way down the path (which means that it wasn't close to done) and the inevitable counteroffer from Florida State would have removed Jimbo from consideration). In fact, if you remember back, everything started to turn when news started coming out that Jimbo and his agent were requesting more money.
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I'm not an Alleva fan, but I'm cool with O and am not sure of who all Joe should have searched because no one will throw out any awesome gettable coaching names.
Alleva has failed in his hiring duties. If Orgeron is greatly successful (I think he has a chance to be) it won't be because Alleva stepped up and make a hire that he thinks was against the grain but the best move. It will be because Alleva lucked out and the guy already here turned out to be capable of big things.
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