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Posted on 9/18/08 at 3:41 pm to xiv
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You don't understand my point fully, even though you have tried. The problem is that you just assume that I'm lying ("He disagrees with me in a way that does not benefit LSU; clearly he must be a liar!"), and it weakens your point. It is as if you are wearing a pair of spectacles that are colored purple and/or gold.
Explain to me what I don't understand.
You are right that I am assuming you are a liar, because there are a couple of other options. First, you could be blind, but I don't think so. Another option is that you could be really stupid. An idiot savant that can really type well. I think the odds of these are low, but I could be wrong, so yes it is an assumption.
I'm not calling you a liar because you disagree with my point. I'm calling you a liar because your statement that the pass is uncatchable without the deflection and tackle is one that a reasonable person would find indefensible based on readily available video and still evidence. Provide evidence that isn't catchable. I'll acknowledge your point if you have the proper angles, etc.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 3:50 pm to xiv
[quote]The officials deemed the ball uncatchable. Pass interference is not a possible call in this case.[/quote
If the interference occurs before the tipped ball, you are wrong.
Furthermore, the Aubrun player did not only hit our WR, but he held him also, and the uncatchable ball rule does not count in case of holding.
If the interference occurs before the tipped ball, you are wrong.
Furthermore, the Aubrun player did not only hit our WR, but he held him also, and the uncatchable ball rule does not count in case of holding.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 3:55 pm to xiv
quote:No, there is no doubt that they ruled it uncatchable because it was tipped. And the fact that it was tipped after the contact makes AGAINST the rules for them to use such a determination to wave off the flag. The rules state that if the ball is catchable at the time of the contact then it is pass interference. Period. This is not a question of a judgment call; we know what they based their judment upon, and it is against the rules for them to base it upon that. By your logic, they could have deemed it uncatchable based on the paycheck they received from Auburn and that would -- according to your boneheaded stupidity -- make it a correct call.
They may have ruled the ball uncatchable because Doucet's name starts with a D for all I give a damn, but they ruled an uncatchable pass uncatchable because there was no way Doucet could have caught that ball because it was a shitty pass.
quote:So when a referee waves off a pass interference call because a pass is uncatchable, even if the receiver did in fact catch the pass, that cannot possibly be in any way an incorrect call? You really, really are a sad case. Why is it so important to you to continue these lies. Do you really have so little in your life that the negative attention you receive by being an annoying little liar on an anonymous internet message board actually makes you feel better about yourself?
Uncatchable ball = no pass interference
Posted on 9/18/08 at 3:58 pm to xiv
quote:Then why did the official rule it uncatchable due to the deflection? Was the official wrong?
I disagree. It was uncatchable regardless of the deflection and the physical contact.
quote:No, they do not agree with you. They insist that the ball was uncatchable because of a tip that occurred after the interference contact, which is against the rules. They all contend this, directly contrary to your idiot lies.
Joey is arguing for pass interference. Everyone who has any authority on this matter agrees with me when I say that it was not pass interference
Posted on 9/18/08 at 4:02 pm to xiv
quote:No, everyone fully understands your point. Your point is that you continue to insist that the ball was in a place and on a path in relation to Doucet that the video and still photos clearly prove it was not, and that the ball could not possibly have been caught along that trajectory by Doucet despite the video and photographic evidence that proves the contrary and the express ruling of the officials on the field to the contrary.
You don't understand my point fully
The problem with your point is that it is one that cannot be maintained in good faith, and thus can only be a willful lie.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 4:14 pm to King Joey
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I've seen you and the Aubbies post this repeatedly, but have yet to see any of you post anything remotely resembling evidence that the official was not in fact an alumnus of Auburn. In fact, I don't even recall anyone mentioning this whole "it was a joke" aspect when the fact he was an Auburn booster was first discussed here two years ago.
Here's a wild thought, why don't you prove that he WAS a Auburn alumni and booster? Seeing how the only source that people are using as "proof" for this accusation is a blog made by an LSU fan on the Bleacher Report, and seeing how I'm confident it was used as a joke, I'm going to say that we don't need to prove that he wasn't an alumni, you need to prove that he was.
This post was edited on 9/18/08 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 9/18/08 at 4:22 pm to Ross
quote:Which is more evidence that has ever been offered that the allegation was made up. Surely something so blatant as that would be easily refuted with actual documentation, right? Especially since so many have referred to the same act of a particular blog or article having used it as a joke, without ever even mentioning which article or blogger, or where it was found. And what makes this "proof" even more questionable is that in the years of discussion regarding that replay official's ties to Auburn, no mention of this alleged "joke" article or blog was ever made until recently, almost two years after the discussion began. It seems much more reasonable that, had such a joke actually been the basis for the allegations of the official's connections to Auburn, the offending article or blog would have been raised and cited as soon as the discussion began over the inappropriate connections. But, alas, it did not. So, like anyone bringing up evidence in an extremely untimely manner, the credibility is severely impacted. So with the only evidence available (albeit of at least questionable credibility itself) supporting the claim of inappropriate connections, there is no real reason to doubt it until some -- any -- evidence to the contrary can be shown.
Seeing how the only source that people are using as "proof" for this accusation is a blog made by an LSU fan
Posted on 9/18/08 at 4:25 pm to King Joey
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there is no real reason to doubt it until some -- any -- evidence to the contrary can be shown.
So we're using the "guilty until proven innocent" method here?
Posted on 9/18/08 at 4:29 pm to raparoot
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I do, but can't prove it. These refs this weekend will be scrutinized closely by the SEC bigwigs but the cheating won't determine the outcome. LSU has more talent than AU and even the refs can't hold em down.... LSU 17 AU 6
In case you havent followed the LSU/AU series the past decade, the SEC officials basically support every call made in our games. They supported the OBVIOUS pass interference in 05 as well as the "jumping on our own dudes back(?)" in 03. They are part of the hiest against LSU...theyre stationed in bama anyway, of course theyre going to be for AU.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 4:31 pm to RepublicGold
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theyre stationed in bama anyway, of course theyre going to be for AU.
That logic is so flawed, it isn't even funny. If we are going to go by location as to what teams they support, well, they are located in Birmingham. In case you didn't know, that's an Alabama fan's haven.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 4:32 pm to Ross
I don't think the refs cheat.
I think bad calls are made every weekend in every game, and it is simply the great importance and timing of these penalties in recent games that have made people think that refs are purposefully cheating.
good luck this weekend, but not too much good luck.
I think bad calls are made every weekend in every game, and it is simply the great importance and timing of these penalties in recent games that have made people think that refs are purposefully cheating.
good luck this weekend, but not too much good luck.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 4:33 pm to GPrepTiger
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good luck this weekend, but not too much good luck.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 4:34 pm to King Joey
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Which is more evidence that has ever been offered that the allegation was made up.
This is the same argument UFO people use and it's illogical. You want us to prove a negative. If this is true, surely there is an article in a reputable paper, magazine or on TV. I just want someone to show it to me, instead of the constant "it's a known fact" nonsense.
The blog your referring to is here....
LINK
Posted on 9/18/08 at 4:35 pm to GPrepTiger
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good luck this weekend, but not too much good luck.
Back at you, let's hope its a clean game, nobody hurt except the broken hearts of LSU fans.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 4:40 pm to AUCatfish
From The Advocate in 2006...
The crew who called the LSU-Auburn game included referee Jeff Roberson, umpire Rick Lowe, linesman Gary Jayroe, line judge Mickey Haddock, field judge Dan Moore, side judge Matt Moore, back judge Mike New and replay official Bob Patrick.
The crew who called the LSU-Auburn game included referee Jeff Roberson, umpire Rick Lowe, linesman Gary Jayroe, line judge Mickey Haddock, field judge Dan Moore, side judge Matt Moore, back judge Mike New and replay official Bob Patrick.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 6:15 pm to King Joey
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So, can you support in any way your allegation that the replay official's links to Auburn were just a joke by an article/blog, or can't you?
No because generally there is not evidence posted when something is "not true". I can say, if it were true and posted two years ago, that it would have been investigated and posted in by more reputable soources.
Edit: Wait I found evidence. See post later below.
So, now that I answered, do you have any evidence that the story is true, as you implied that it is?
This post was edited on 9/18/08 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 9/18/08 at 6:17 pm to King Joey
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You are asking us to prove a negative...
Yes, you are. We are saying IT IS NOT TRUE (because it is a joke)
quote:
Since you are the ones specifically stating that it comes from a joke in a specific blog or article, sure you could come up with that specific blog or article, right?
Since you are one of e ones who asserts it, surely you could come up with a reputable source, right?
ANd are you actually asserting that a blog is a source? If so okay. Then see equal evidence to support my assertion in the post below this one.
This post was edited on 9/18/08 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 9/18/08 at 6:21 pm to King Joey
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Which is more evidence that has ever been offered that the allegation was made up.
Again here is equal evidence to support my and many otherss assertion that it was a joke: LSUTangerines TD.com blog for today "The assertion that the replay official for the 2007 AU-LSU game was an AU booster and alum was a joke to make a point. The official was not an AU booster or alum". Feel free to use it as a reference folks.
This post was edited on 9/18/08 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 9/18/08 at 7:02 pm to LSUTANGERINE
WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAA!!!
My God! What a huge bunch of babies!
I guess I should start trying to get the bad call against Auburn in the 1974 Alabama game overturned. Thomas Gossom scored dammit!
And the Florida game in '83... we recovered that onside kick!
Get the hell over it!!
... and buy that dunce coach of yours a hat that fits while you are at it.
My God! What a huge bunch of babies!
I guess I should start trying to get the bad call against Auburn in the 1974 Alabama game overturned. Thomas Gossom scored dammit!
And the Florida game in '83... we recovered that onside kick!
Get the hell over it!!
... and buy that dunce coach of yours a hat that fits while you are at it.
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