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re: Does anyone remember the Hallman, DInardo days...
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:27 am to sml71
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:27 am to sml71
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Does anyone remember who was coaching the other team that DiNardo blew out on that cold Independence Bowl night in '95?
Satan himself and DAMN, it WAS cold!!! But hey .. they did have beer for sale!
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Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:31 am to tiger91
Ding, Ding, Ding...we have a winner!
And yes, it was frickin' freezing...but it was a GREAT game!
And yes, it was frickin' freezing...but it was a GREAT game!
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:31 am to sml71
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Does anyone remember who was coaching the other team that DiNardo blew out on that cold Independence Bowl night in '95?
Would his initials be N.S.?
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:33 am to sml71
sm ... remember the fiasco about there not being enough seats for what was sold? I specifically remember some kids organization that bought tickets that they had to "squeeze in". They had bleacher seating in the endzones.
Oh, NS had a COMPLETELY different look back then ... If I could ever learn to post pics here I'd search and post it. He looked BAD!
Oh, NS had a COMPLETELY different look back then ... If I could ever learn to post pics here I'd search and post it. He looked BAD!
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:35 am to teeMike
As Bill King says; 'it's a nuclear arms race and it takes lots of $ to compete'.
Just keep spending $ for the best coaches and facilities.
Don't try to do it on the cheap...
Just keep spending $ for the best coaches and facilities.
Don't try to do it on the cheap...
This post was edited on 8/8/09 at 10:36 am
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:35 am to Rouge
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I remember sitting in Tiger Stadium on a Friday watching LSU vs. Arkansas. An LSU win would mean a trip to the Independence bowl.
the only season this could have been possible was 1995
I think he was talking about the 1993 season when Hallman was 5-5 going into the Arkansas game. Arkansas ran wild on us and we lost 42-24 to finish 5-6.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:35 am to teeMike
DiNardo wasn't a bad coach...I think he just got a little too full of himself there for awhile and by the time he realized it, the wheels were already off...he picked and then stuck with bad assistants and was too busy trying to run a restaurant to be the head football coach at LSU...as if he a) needed extra money and b) being LSU's coach is somehow a part-time job.
Hell, DiNardo beat Saban like a drum head-on, and it was DiNardo's players that Saban won with out of the gate!
Les could do a lot worse than learning the lessons that DiNardo had to learn the hard way.
Hell, DiNardo beat Saban like a drum head-on, and it was DiNardo's players that Saban won with out of the gate!
Les could do a lot worse than learning the lessons that DiNardo had to learn the hard way.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:48 am to sml71
Dinardo was not an SEC caliber coach, nor was he close.
Curly Hallman was not qualified to be a a D-1 head coach.
Those days were awful...
Curly Hallman was not qualified to be a a D-1 head coach.
Those days were awful...
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:51 am to avondale88
I agree with this:
It also taught me that going 8-3 every year wasn't so bad. Because the alternative could be going 3-8. It's a lesson Texas A&M is learning for their arrogance right now.
And I remember 42-24. It was 35-24 with about two minutes left and Bech dropped a wide open TD pass. The next play, we threw an INT returned for a TD. In a moment that is permanently etched in my memory as a metaphor for the entire Hallman era, Kevin Mawae tried to run down the DB from behind and of course failed (he was a center after all). Mawae never gave up, even then. He cried at midfield when the game ended.
Mawae is, and always will be, my favorite Tiger ever.
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I remwember thinking that LSU was being paid back for the horrible treatment of C. Mac
It also taught me that going 8-3 every year wasn't so bad. Because the alternative could be going 3-8. It's a lesson Texas A&M is learning for their arrogance right now.
And I remember 42-24. It was 35-24 with about two minutes left and Bech dropped a wide open TD pass. The next play, we threw an INT returned for a TD. In a moment that is permanently etched in my memory as a metaphor for the entire Hallman era, Kevin Mawae tried to run down the DB from behind and of course failed (he was a center after all). Mawae never gave up, even then. He cried at midfield when the game ended.
Mawae is, and always will be, my favorite Tiger ever.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:56 am to Baloo
That same 8-3 & 3-8 arrogance also led to Nebraska's downfall. Not only did they fire Frank Solich when they shouldn't have (9-3 and then Pelini coached and won the Alamo Bowl in 2003), but it led them to the debacle that was Bill Callahan. They obviously made the great choice to get Bo Pelini back so there's still hope for them.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:05 am to teeMike
I was at that game, and I remember in the final minutes when it was obvious that we would win, I was elated. Imagine that; I was SOOOOO excited that we finally had a winning season after 6 years and were going to the Indy Bowl!
How times and expectations have changed (for the better!)
How times and expectations have changed (for the better!)
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:12 am to teeMike
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I remember sitting in Tiger Stadium on a Friday watching LSU vs. Arkansas. An LSU win would mean a trip to the Independence bowl. There were 40,000 in the stadium.
If you're referring to 1993 when we lost, I'll have to take your word for it, but if you're referring to 1995 when we won 28-0 to get to the Independence Bowl and clinch our first winning season in 6 years, then I'm calling BS. There were at least 75,000 there that day.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:22 am to medtiger
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There were at least 75,000 there that day.
I was at both games...
I would have to check on the attendance figures on the '95 game from the archives. You may be right? But from what I remember the crowd was small (maybe a lot of no-shows?) and getting 4 tickets offered for free. I gave $5.00 just to feel better.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:50 am to teeMike
The Archer to Hallman day were the darkest in my lifetime.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:53 am to teeMike
Yes...the year that we were 5-5 and trying to win to get to a bowl, the place was not nearly full. The year DiNardo beat them to get us to a bowl, the place was nearly packed.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 11:58 am to teeMike
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The question is: Could it ever get that bad again?
Not that bad, but if you want an example of programs that went through a similar cycle look at Miami or Alabama. Teams go through cycles based on the AD and coaching staff. I think a 6-6 or 7-5 season will be as bad as it will get for us unless some major happens (i.e. losing half the starters to injuries, NCAA sanctions). Otherwise Saban built a strong recruiting base that won't wither away, especially since we're the premier team in the state by a mile and change.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 12:47 pm to Baloo
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It also taught me that going 8-3 every year wasn't so bad. Because the alternative could be going 3-8. It's a lesson Texas A&M is learning for their arrogance right now.
The Mac situation was tough. Basically it was time for Mac to go. He had a horrible record against good teams over his last several years. He beat patsies in the last several years at LSU but just could not beat teams with a winning record. From 1974-1979, LSU won only 6 games against teams with a winning record, the best team he beat during that time was an 8-4 Wake Forest in 1979, the next 2 best teams were Tennessee in 1975 (7-3-2) and South Carolina in 1976 (7-5). Ole Miss at 6-5 in both 1976 and 1977 and Florida at 6-4-1 in 1977 account for the other three wins. He beat zero ranked teams during that period, not counting no. 20 Mississippi State, who lost to LSU by forfeit in 1976. LSU was stuck in a rut with him at the helm, and it wasn't going to get any better. LSU simply was mired in mediocrity. From 1974-1979, he had two 6-5 seasons, two 8-4 seasons, and one 4-7 (based on games won or lost on the field, since two of the wins on his records were by forfeit from Miss. State).
Were there things about his being forced out I didn't like? Yes, but the decision to move him out was the right one for LSU, even if it was a tough one. Did LSU immediately right the ship? No, we struggled to find the right coach, with the exception of the Arnsparger years (and Archer's first year), through 1980s and 1990s, but we still won 2 SEC championships that we never would have won with Mac at the helm. The problem wasn't that the administration pushed Mac out (that was the right decision even if not handled as well as it could have been), it was that they didn't generally do a very good job of hiring head coaches thereafter.
It wasn't arrogance that caused its firing. It was the recognition that LSU was never going to get better as a football program with Mac in charge. The administration (and the fans) weren't satisfied, nor should they have been. I am not a "Mac hater;" I recognize that he did a lot for LSU, was loyal to LSU, and had been a pretty good coach throughout the 1960s and early 1970s, but it was time to move him out if LSU was going to be competitive in a changing football environment.
This post was edited on 8/8/09 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 8/8/09 at 1:01 pm to Tiger In Dawg Country
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The student section chanted in those days "Yes we suck, yes we suck...."
I remember the signs in the Hallman days:
"Hi Dad! Send Defense!"
Posted on 8/8/09 at 1:05 pm to tigerinridgeland
When people talk about the treatment of Charlie Mac, I'm pretty positive they're talking about the fans, not the administration. McClendon's teams progressively got worse for the most part during his last years, but that still didn't justify the brutal treatment our fans gave him. We didn't treat Hallman half as bad.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 1:09 pm to EmperorGout
Oh yeah? Look at what these LSU fans did!
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