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Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:13 pm to
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30792 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:13 pm to
The rule has been the same for at least the last several years. There is no new rule.
Posted by Tigercat
Tacoma, WA
Member since Feb 2004
4519 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:14 pm to
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he is being denied what he was originally offered.


Someone would have been. LSU took a reasonable gamble. (And it is 100% reasonable to predict losing a couple of players to grades on a very good 28 player class.) Guys did well on tests and in the classroom.

Muddy arguements don't contain acceptable logic just because it is in vogue to pile on the coaching staff. Want to argue that if Porter was only informed about the situation this week, that it was poor communication? Fine. Can't argue that. (Although it is hard to believe that as the coaches look at their board fill and know who they may have to cut off, that they don't start mentioning it to players.)

Regardless, there is a difference between a poorly handled situation and making a crap decision. LSU didn't have a choice in the decision, grey shirts had to be requested.
This post was edited on 8/3/10 at 7:16 pm
Posted by Duckie
Tippy Toe, Louisiana
Member since Apr 2010
24314 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:20 pm to
I never said there was.
Posted by That LSU Guy
Ponte Vedra Beach
Member since Jul 2008
15725 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:21 pm to
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Porter needs a lawyer...
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30792 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:24 pm to
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I never said there was


Then the comment wasn't directed at you.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
289652 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:27 pm to
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yea bush league if the kid was given notice 24 hrs before Fall camp started as reported




it is fricked up

but it is a move obviously dictated on when the Gore decision was announced.


my question is, why not offer the kid with questionable grades a greyshirt?


Porter doesnt deserve this, but i can kind of see how it went down. Miles had to wait this long because of the NCAA...and im sure Porter was aware beforehand that he would possibly have to greyshirt
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
39363 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:30 pm to
I just feel the need to say that we have FIVE fricking interior linemen, again.


Move on over from blocking tight end, Nic and Jordan. You are the next Tackles for LSU. Now we will move more OTs in the OG spot for depth.

Posted by XbengalTiger
New Bama Standard...4 Losses.
Member since Oct 2003
5601 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:30 pm to
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Having to be under both the 85 and 25 in order to count anyone back is not a new rule.
So I guess we do have 1 player backcounting since we only had 24 in last years class and 2 players enrolled in the spring this year.

Edit:
I didn't say it was a new rule. Someone back on like page 2 or 3 did...
This post was edited on 8/3/10 at 7:34 pm
Posted by Tigercat
Tacoma, WA
Member since Feb 2004
4519 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:34 pm to
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my question is, why not offer the kid with questionable grades a greyshirt?


The problem with that is do you punish a kid who worked hard to get in? Who is to say Porter or any other kid who never had grade issues didn't coast in school while a kid who squeaks in worked their butt off? It is too hard to start making judgement calls on which already signed recruit "deserves" a scholarship more, I think. So you probably just end up going with which player would be left off if you had to recruit them all over again...
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
39363 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:35 pm to
Why in the hell would you Greyshirt an incoming OL when you only have 11 ol's on the roster?

Is depth not as important as I think it is?

Where am I wrong?
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30792 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:44 pm to
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So I guess we do have 1 player backcounting since we only had 24 in last years class and 2 players enrolled in the spring this year.


No. We were at 85 in the Fall so nobody could count back.
Posted by XbengalTiger
New Bama Standard...4 Losses.
Member since Oct 2003
5601 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:47 pm to
We have pleanty enough OL depth for this season. He was either going to be a redshirt or a greyshirt. Either way, he would not have provided depth this year and Louisiana is loaded with OL prospects for 2011.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
289652 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:47 pm to
quote:

The problem with that is do you punish a kid who worked hard to get in?


you dont punish him

you tell him if he makes it, he has to greyshirt.


quote:

Who is to say Porter or any other kid who never had grade issues didn't coast in school while a kid who squeaks in worked their butt off?


Porter went to Shaw, a pretty good school. If he had grade problems then treat them equal, but i dont think he did.
Posted by tigerguy121
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2006
10695 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:51 pm to
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The problem with that is do you punish a kid who worked hard to get in? Who is to say Porter or any other kid who never had grade issues didn't coast in school while a kid who squeaks in worked their butt off


WTF??

are you saying that some of these kids with bad grades might be functionally retarded and had to work 2x as hard to get their d's and c's as compared to some other kid who was just naturally smarter and coasted his way to C's and B's???

My question is, if we had to do a greyshirt looking at depth chart, talent of the players, the current recruiting class, and needs, was Porter the best one to offer a greyshirt knowing he may not accept
Posted by DocBugbear
Arlington, Texas
Member since Mar 2008
8140 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:54 pm to
tigerguy... for some reason all your posts make me want to say "Go Paraguay!"
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162431 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:57 pm to
In a perfect world that's how it would work lester. Unfortunately the more talented you are the longer people will leave a spot open for you. This staff really likes Gore and there's no way they would approach him about a greyshirt. Gore has a chance to contribute this year, Porter not so much.

It's also easier to get an in state kid to agree to do this anyway
This post was edited on 8/3/10 at 8:00 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
76317 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 8:00 pm to
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It's also easier to get an in state kid to agree to do this anyway


Definitely, but it probably should be part of the conversation throughout the whole recruiting process.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162431 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 8:04 pm to
we don't know that it wasn't.

Lester usually takes NO kids leaving hard
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30792 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 8:05 pm to
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FIVE fricking interior linemen


I count 7
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94916 posts
Posted on 8/3/10 at 8:07 pm to
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We praise him for signing "eligible"players and then we wimd up with too many.... Guy cant count or was hoping some wouldnt make it


holy shite, did I call that or what??
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