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re: Elliot Porter
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:06 am to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:06 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Yeah you try competing with Urban Meyer and Nick Saban for recruits while telling kids that.
so you're fine with our coaches lying to kids just to get them to sign that LOI, without holding the coaches responsible?
and urban meyer doesn't typically oversign. ever
in saban's time, i don't remember him cutting a player in august b/c everyone qualified. it may have happened. i don't remember it at LSU, and i don't follow bama recruiting that much
now saban did clean house with shula's guys his first 2 years, but saban didn't make those kids any promises
my mind is blown that lestards are fine with him lying to recruits. isn't his morality one of the few positive things les has left for les's fans to hang their hat on?
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Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:14 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:saban's pretty notorious at bama for oversigning and cutting players. I think he just cut somebody to get und the 85 limit this year.
now saban did clean house with shula's guys his first 2 years, but saban didn't make those kids any promises
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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my mind is blown that lestards are fine with him lying to recruits. isn't his morality one of the few positive things les has left for les's fans to hang their hat on?
I believe that Miles didn't intend to greyshirt Porter. And because of that, I'm definitely ok with him not highlighting the remote possibility during recruiting season...especially when it's clear to anyone that LSU signed more than 25 last year.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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my mind is blown that lestards are fine with him lying to recruits. isn't his morality one of the few positive things les has left for les's fans to hang their hat on?
my mind is blown that a guy with a law degree can't differentiate between a scholarship contract and a "Letter of Intent" between two parties...and vehemently argues about the breeched contract even though he has never seen the LOI himself.
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 8:17 am
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:16 am to moneyg
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I believe that Miles didn't intend to greyshirt Porter.
but he didn't tell porter of the possibility during his recruitment
quote:
.especially when it's clear to anyone that LSU signed more than 25 last year.
but there are 25+ kids and porter is 1 of 27. if miles doesn't make it clear to kids (like he did with bates, johns, etc) during recruitment who will be the GS victim, then it's on miles
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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but he didn't tell porter of the possibility during his recruitment
It's a moving target. He didn't know who else would make the grades. He didn't know where the attrition would come from on the football team. He wasn't ready to make that decision on Porter or anyone else in February.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:24 am to moneyg
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my mind is blown that a guy with a law degree can't differentiate between a scholarship contract and a "Letter of Intent" between two parties
the LOI bound the kid
the kid only signed it due to false pretenses/misrepresentations by miles
that was false inducement
the scholarship was pulled
Feel free to read up all you want
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:25 am to moneyg
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He didn't know who else would make the grades
irrelevant
if miles offers 27 kids, he better fricking know which ones he'll force to GS, and he better tell them during their recruitment
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He wasn't ready to make that decision on Porter or anyone else in February.
and apparently porter was never told of this possibility until then, months after he signed his NSD
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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the LOI bound the kid
It binds him to the school in the sense that he can't go to any other school who participates in the LOI program. And, it does that because the LOI clearly lays that out. It doesn't actually force him to go to school. If he doesn't make the grades, or just decides not to show up, the school can not sue for damages.
The fact that it was a "Letter of Intent" should have clued you in to the likelihood that all terms and benefits of the final contract (scholarship) would not be included. In fact, the LOI clearly spells out that there is no guarantee of a scholarship.
Have ever been a party in signing a LOI?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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if miles offers 27 kids, he better fricking know which ones he'll force to GS, and he better tell them during their recruitment
Or what? You gonna go after him lol?
Gray shirts are a part of the business, no player likes to get them but it happens.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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if miles offers 27 kids, he better fricking know which ones he'll force to GS, and he better tell them during their recruitment
You are confusing your opinion with fact again.
It is clear to everyone that wants to pay attention that if 27 showed up, 2 would have to greyshirt.
quote:
and apparently porter was never told of this possibility until then, months after he signed his NSD
Ok. So, he should have let the kid know something a month ago? Is that what you are down to? It would have necessarily happened after signing day. I don't really see the difference.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:51 am to moneyg
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The fact that it was a "Letter of Intent" should have clued you in to the likelihood that all terms and benefits of the final contract (scholarship) would not be included.
the aspects you spoke of are in the LOI
if he doesn't make the grades, doesn't show up, get in legal trouble, the LOI is void
at no point (per what we know) was porter told before signing this binding agreement that he would be forced to take a greyshirt or try to find a school a month before the season
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:52 am to moneyg
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It is clear to everyone that wants to pay attention that if 27 showed up, 2 would have to greyshirt.
and only miles knows which 2 would have to GS if this occurred, and he did not deliver this information to these kids during their recruitment
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So, he should have let the kid know something a month ago?
no. before NSD when the kid signed his LOI
quote:
It would have necessarily happened after signing day
nope
informing porter of his status should have happened before NSD
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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the aspects you spoke of are in the LOI
Exactly.
Now, do you think there is something in the LOI that guarantees him a scholarship? Come on SFP, you are almost there.
You need to start thinking like an attorney.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
nope
informing porter of his status should have happened before NSD
Porter wasn't targeted as a GS before NSD
Posted on 8/5/10 at 9:49 am to drexyl
quote:just looked it up. he kicked rod Woodson off the team YESTERDAY to get down to 85. also he has room for 7 next year and already has 16 verbal commitments.
quote:
now saban did clean house with shula's guys his first 2 years, but saban didn't make those kids any promises
saban's pretty notorious at bama for oversigning and cutting players. I think he just cut somebody to get und the 85 limit this year.
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/5/10 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:ya know instead of trying to convince everyone else you should just call the porters and offer to represent them.
that was false inducement
Posted on 8/5/10 at 10:22 am to Prominentwon
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Chicken shite move on the part of LSU.
It was chicken shite to meet their mandatory numbers?
Really- What choice did LSU have?? Someone had to be asked to greyshirt, if Porter gets pissed because they asked him & now he wants to leave, let him go...
Posted on 8/5/10 at 10:37 am to Tiger in Texas
i think one thing that is missing on the talk of telling porter before signing day is the new rule that went into effect in May. If that is correct.
The new rule didn't allow LSU to count 2 guys back to last year, b/c we were at the 85 man limit last season. I don't know when the rule was passed or if Miles knew it was going to be passed and implemented in May. If he didn't he would have expected to be able to have Washington and Adams count back to last year, allowing all 27 to come.
Once that passed, most thought it was unlikely that Wing was going to be cleared.
The new rule didn't allow LSU to count 2 guys back to last year, b/c we were at the 85 man limit last season. I don't know when the rule was passed or if Miles knew it was going to be passed and implemented in May. If he didn't he would have expected to be able to have Washington and Adams count back to last year, allowing all 27 to come.
Once that passed, most thought it was unlikely that Wing was going to be cleared.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 11:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:That would only be the case if Miles told him he would *not* be asked to greyshirt. Not specifically warning him that he might is neither a false pretense nor a misrepresentation.
the kid only signed it due to false pretenses/misrepresentations by miles
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