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re: Examining James Franklin & his losses
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:09 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:09 am to Lester Earl
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Right. My # 1 basic criteria: win games you are supposed to, consistently,
And he has hiccups seemingly every year.
Meh, I don’t know how fair this particular criticism is. For any coach. The more talent you recruit and the better you are, the more opportunities you have to lose to “inferior” teams. Because almost all your games are against them.
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Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:09 am to BilJ
Yea, lane clearly learned a lot while at Bama. He would be a good replacement for O. He only needs to find a dc.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:09 am to BilJ
His defenses still suck.
He's a great OC but in his 4 yrs at USC and now Ole Miss they are giving up so many points per game.
He's a great OC but in his 4 yrs at USC and now Ole Miss they are giving up so many points per game.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:10 am to Magician2
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What he did at FAU was incredible though. They were winless in the season before he got there and in year 2 he went 11-3 and then had another 10 win season
Same can be said for Napier at ULL and people are whining about him.
Kiffin has not done anything of significance anywhere but FAU. One 10 win season at USC.
Sorry for the thread derailment. I’ll start a Kiffin thread later, like this board really needs it.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:11 am to Lester Earl
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Right. My # 1 basic criteria: win games you are supposed to, consistently,
Skip used the “Saban” criteria when he hired Les Miles, for better or worse:
Success with a ‘second-school’ in a major conference, upset wins, abnormally high recruiting success at lesser programs and squeaky clean reputation.
Matt Campbell, David Shaw… those are the names that fit. Mel Tucker needed another year to prove himself worthy of that discussion.
Luke Fickel is interesting because he led OSU and knows what that kind of pressure looks like.
I know this: Alleva botched the O search badly. It almost cannot get worse than the post-Miles search.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:11 am to Bjorn Cyborg
You don't consider the usc job when you consider kiffin?
So, we can just throw out a big chunk of someone's coaching career because they were young.
So, we can just throw out a big chunk of someone's coaching career because they were young.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:14 am to Lester Earl
I’ve never thought he would land at LSU. It isn’t flashy enough for him.
I think Franklin would be a great fit for SC.
I think Franklin would be a great fit for SC.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:14 am to Hot Carl
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The more talent you recruit and the better you are, the more opportunities you have to lose to “inferior” teams. Because almost all your games are against them.
Which is why I said “consistently.”
Franklin has hiccups every year. That’s not becoming of a top tier coach
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:15 am to Lester Earl
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James Franklin
But Woody could check the most important box of any coach these days and keep the Marxist happy. That is far more important than anything else at LSU these days.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:15 am to Magician2
He’d be fine with our defensive talent, I don’t think he has a disinterest in D or anything
Besides who does really play legitimate D in CFB now ?
Besides who does really play legitimate D in CFB now ?
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:17 am to Lester Earl
Admin can we have this moved to the soccer board?
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:18 am to Prominentwon
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Kiffin has not done anything of significance anywhere but FAU.
That’s crazy. Look at his offenses there last two years.
He was hired in a Covid year & got to campus just last June. He hasn’t even come close to cycling through a recruiting class.
The minute he hit the ground there, his offenses were elite. Look at his game results there. They play with basically everyone. They are perennially the 7-8th best SEC school in football. That is something
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:19 am to Magician2
Kiffin brings buzz but better suited as OC than head coach.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:20 am to Magician2
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His defenses still suck.
No one is playing defense right now anyway. Scoring is up and basic CFB cannot adjust to what is standard now.
Even so, at programs like FAU & Ole Miss, you kinda have to pick one. It’s hard to have good offenses & defenses when you are limited in recruiting. That’s basic college football team building.
Have a calling card, be elite at it. Let the cards fall where they may
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:23 am to Lester Earl
Kiffin’s hubris kinda worries me and how would he act if things ever went south, right the ship or let it burn and onto the next? But part of me is really intrigued by the idea
What kind of DC hire could he make? Hard to believe toxic Durkin is the best he could do at ole miss
What kind of DC hire could he make? Hard to believe toxic Durkin is the best he could do at ole miss
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:27 am to Lester Earl
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No one is playing defense right now anyway. Scoring is up and basic CFB cannot adjust to what is standard now. Even so, at programs like FAU & Ole Miss, you kinda have to pick one. It’s hard to have good offenses & defenses when you are limited in recruiting. That’s basic college football team building. Have a calling card, be elite at it. Let the cards fall where they may
UGa, Clemson, Bama, Michigan have great consistent defenses.
You can still put emphasis on it. 2019 our defense wasn't perfect but it came up big when we needed them.
I think Kiffin will need an amazing DC to truly have great consistent success.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:28 am to Lester Earl
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That’s crazy. Look at his offenses there last two years.
He was hired in a Covid year & got to campus just last June. He hasn’t even come close to cycling through a recruiting class.
The minute he hit the ground there, his offenses were elite. Look at his game results there. They play with basically everyone. They are perennially the 7-8th best SEC school in football. That is something
Now do his total record and overall performance between USC, Raiders, Tennessee, and Ole Miss. And look how many stops he’s made as well. Jumping around for various reasons. There’s more to it than just offense and you know that.
His offenses are great, no doubt, but maybe that’s his MO. He showed last week that he’s no where close to beating an Alabama even after his not very well thought out pregame interview.
We can agree to disagree. He’s not the hire. He hasn’t been successful enough to even consider, IMO. We can say “oh he was young” etc etc but he’s had so many more chances than a lot of coaches say they’ve ever gotten. Even after his past antics.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:28 am to S
I do think he has some risks in terms of running a program. I’m not worried about his gameday stuff, though. He’d be 3rd or 4th on my list, acknowledging there is a certain risk there.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:29 am to Lester Earl
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At his last two stops, how many times has he been favored in a game & lost?
Why just his last 2? Still, how many games por has he been favored anyway? A lot less than Franklin, I’m sure. But again, I’m just playing devil’s advocate—I do not want James Franklin. I want Aranda. Somewhat of a risk, but I think the reward could be a dynastic 10-year run.
1) super intelligent, one of the best defensive minds in CFB, and always learning and evolving
2) highly organized and appears to have great management skills
3) expert on one side of the ball
4) very well respected in coaching circles and would be able to identify good assistants who would actually want to work for him
5) has relationships with high schools in Louisiana, the rest of the southeast, California, and now Texas
6) has seen what it takes to build a national championship team
7) learned some of the few things O and Les did right, but more importantly, what they did wrong
8) will not embarrass the program
9) would actually take the job
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:29 am to Lester Earl
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No one is playing defense right now anyway. Scoring is up and basic CFB cannot adjust to what is standard now.
Georgia is and they are absolutely the favorite to win the NC at this point
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