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re: Gavin Dugas signed for $20K.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 10:31 pm to LSUSkip
Posted on 7/13/23 at 10:31 pm to LSUSkip
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Unless a player can decline that number and go into free agency, there is no recourse for a player like that. They can't tell the team, I will not sign and hit free agency. They're stuck to that number, or they can't play.
they can't go into free agency, but if they decline it, the drafting teams loses the ability to spend that slot's value.
so that's about $320 k less they would have the option of spending on anyone else.
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Posted on 7/14/23 at 6:52 am to Nutriaitch
Only top 5 rounds make any money
Posted on 7/14/23 at 7:15 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Why is baseball the only sport that fricks their players cuz “what choice do they have?”
Once a player enters the nfl draft, they don’t have a choice either but the teams don’t bend them over a barrel and arse duck them. They get paid according to their draft slot.
They just frick them with no guaranteed contracts. Pro baseball contracts are fully guaranteed.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 7:17 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Yeah no one is saying that it’s easy, but a second rounder in the nba is given a 6 figure contract not less than the cashier makes at Burger King.
The thing is that it’s not about the money to these guys. Dugas didn’t have to sign. If it was all about money then he could go get a job somewhere making more than he will at the minor league level.
He wants to keep playing and living his dream and a team is giving him that opportunity.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 7:54 am to Tigerfan1274
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He will get a salary as well.
Yea, like 30k/year
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:27 am to Indefatigable
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Yea, like 30k/year
So he’s going to make 40-50k this year to play baseball.
I’d do that 100 times out of 100.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:29 am to Tigerfan1274
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That’s why juniors rarely return for the Sr. season.
I bet he will tell you that he made the right decision and he doesn't regret coming back to School this past year. He might not have gotten the sign on bonus that he wanted but he still gets a chance to live his dream continuing his pursuit of playing professional baseball while earning the National Title at the School he loved his last year.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 9:03 am to geauxtigers33
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So he’s going to make 40-50k this year to play baseball.
I’d do that 100 times out of 100.
This
Posted on 7/14/23 at 9:32 am to Tigerfan1274
Well, MLB is a monopoly. So there’s that.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 9:35 am to lsunatchamp
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XFL players made $200,000 minimum for their season if you want to compare
XFL also has tv contracts, I’m not even sure if MiLB. Games are televised.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:39 am to Willie Stroker
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In most markets, fair value is the best offer someone is willing to pay. Your alternative is to seek the best offer someone else is willing to pay.
Why do you call that a moral obligation? Fair value is not determined by morals. It’s determined by what someone determines your labor to be worth and your decision as to whether or not that assessed value is worth accepting as a wage rate.
Do you dye your hair blue and wave signs at protests or do you have a reasonable response to explain why what I have posted is wrong that you would like to share?
Nope. My hair is silver. Next month will mark 45 years as a registered Republican and I'm in the top 2%. I've never waved a sign at a protest but I have crossed 2 Teamster picket lines while a union and UPS determined what my labor was worth. I had no imput in whether my "assessed value is worth accepting as a wage rate." It was collectively bargained by everybody but me.
You want a reasonable response? How about a personal example? I was drafted as a junior college sophomore back when there was a Janaury draft as well as a June draft and offered a signing bonus that I rejected. My brother was drafted out of high school by the very same team 5 months later. You would not have found a person on the planet that would say he was a better player than I was. Yet he was offered a bonus that was 5 times what I was offered and he signed. Forward 2 years later, when I'm a more accomplished player and drafted again. But as a college senior I had no choice but to sign for the $500 bonus that was already on the contract that my manager, Joe Maddon put in front of me when I reported. Meanwhile, my brother is not playing because he was suspended for 3 years because he didn't agree with the contract he was offered for his 3rd season and the ML team held his rights. So tell me about how our "alternative is to seek the best offer someone else is willing to pay".
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:45 am to geauxtigers33
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So he’s going to make 40-50k this year to play baseball.
It’s already July, whatever salary they get will be prorated so no not 40-50K, he got a $20K signing bonus. Also missing from these comparisons to even the XFL is the players being on the team for the ENTIRE season at the highest level of that league. The low salaries being quoted are for the LOWEST levels of the sport. Low A and rookie ball are the ultimate up or out you do not play those levels for long, you either move up and get paid more or you are cut. The bottom line is Dugas is it not an elite prospect, that’s why he got 20K (if Crews came back I assure you he would still get millions as a Sr). He now has his chance to prove his worth
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:58 am to Tigerfan1274
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Gavin Dugas signed for $20K.
It would be pretty hard to live on that. Is that just the signing bonus? Does he get paid anything in addition to that on a regular basis? Does whatever minor league team he signs with provide meals, lodging and transprtation?
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:01 am to Methuselah
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It would be pretty hard to live on that. Is that just the signing bonus? Does he get paid anything in addition to that on a regular basis? Does whatever minor league team he signs with provide meals, lodging and transprtation?
All of these questions have been answered but yes to all. Rookie ball or low single A doesn’t pay much, it’s essentially a try out
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:13 am to Methuselah
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Does he get paid anything in addition to that on a regular basis?
All minor league players who earn less than $4,667 per week are provided free housing, they're all provided free health insurance, and they get a 401(k) and pension plan, etc. If general living expenses were paid for, a small minor league salary isn't going to be any different than most recent grads' entry level pay.
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 11:15 am
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:27 am to lsufball19
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If MLB teams had guaranteed slot bonuses, Dugas would not have been a 6th round pick.
This is what a lot of people can’t seem to wrap their heads around. They feel like the “fair” thing is for everybody to get the slot value of the round they were picked because they can only compare it to the NFL and NBA drafts without acknowledging that those sports are completely different due to not having a minor league system (NBA is a little different for 2nd rounders).
After about 1st round (and maybe 2nd), the MLB draft slots are only a way to calculate their total draft pool. Teams get their total pool money and draft strategically according to what they’re trying to come away with after all 20 rounds. And they do that within the current rules. If the rules were to just having to pay every player their slot value with no negotiations, it would completely change who they draft and when. If that had been the case this year, Dugan wouldn’t have been picked anywhere near the 6th round. He would have gone toward the very back end of the draft or not been drafted at all.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:47 am to Hot Carl
Another thing people don’t understand is how little the union that “bargains” for minor league players actually care about their best interest. I’m not sure there was even a union for minor leaguers at all, before, as lsufball19 pointed out earlier, they just recently began being represented by the MLBPU.
That’s why the minimum jumped up so significantly this past year. Still, professional unions have notoriously cared infinitely more about the interests of their current big league players who are the ones actually paying the dues. For example, the NFLPA in the last 10-15 years bargained against 1st rounders being able to freely negotiate their contracts and went to a slot system. A lot of this was backlash to the Jamarcus Russell contract. They didn’t like guys who had never played before being able to negotiate contracts like a free agent. They wanted that money to go more towards their current players who had already been in the league and paying dues.
And that’s for 1st rounders who were guaranteed to make the 53 man roster and become members of the union. Imagine how little the MLBPU cares about draftees when there are so many more of them and who have a much less chance of ever making the big league team. Like 10% or less of baseball players drafted ever make the majors.
That’s why the minimum jumped up so significantly this past year. Still, professional unions have notoriously cared infinitely more about the interests of their current big league players who are the ones actually paying the dues. For example, the NFLPA in the last 10-15 years bargained against 1st rounders being able to freely negotiate their contracts and went to a slot system. A lot of this was backlash to the Jamarcus Russell contract. They didn’t like guys who had never played before being able to negotiate contracts like a free agent. They wanted that money to go more towards their current players who had already been in the league and paying dues.
And that’s for 1st rounders who were guaranteed to make the 53 man roster and become members of the union. Imagine how little the MLBPU cares about draftees when there are so many more of them and who have a much less chance of ever making the big league team. Like 10% or less of baseball players drafted ever make the majors.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:55 am to Klingler7
No but if you have a wreck in Louisiana it’ll cover the deductible
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:02 pm to lsufball19
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This isn’t football my guy. Baseball players NIL deals are far far less than this board has convinced themselves they are
Hell, they’ve convinced themselves that football players get far more than what they do. Maybe the top recruits out of high school like Harold Perkins might. Or the highly sought after QBs in the portal. But most of the back end of the 85 get very little if anything at all.
And that’s football. There’s far, far less for baseball players. If guys like you quoted have convinced themselves that all 40 rostered baseball guys are getting $25k plus, they are living in fantasy land. Like one guy in another thread thought Jobert should come back and make more in NIL than what he signed for. Like anybody is going to pay Brayden Jobert $150k to come back for another year.
Regardless, even if NIL did pay as much as these guys have deluded themselves of, at some point you run out of eligibility and are gonna have to begin your pro career and chase your dream. You can put off playing in the minors as long as you can, but eventually you’re gonna have to deal with it if you want the chance to play your way to the majors.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:08 pm to Tigerfan1274
Dude is a legend. I'm sure we can find him a higher paying job over here easily maybe 5x that much if he decides he's done with baseball.
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