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re: Is this year different for Arkansas? Update: NOPE
Posted on 6/13/25 at 9:44 am to TigerphanTigerman
Posted on 6/13/25 at 9:44 am to TigerphanTigerman
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You have no evidence that Tennessee was a tougher test than West Virginia.
West Virginia walked (BB/HBP) 25 batters in 2 games.
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You probably think that Murray State is weak because they were a 4 seed. Every team in the regional final deserved to be there because they were playing well. Every team in a super deserved to be there because they won their regional. Every team in Omaha right now is battle tested.
If LSU had beaten Clemson during the super regional you wouldn't be making this argument, because Clemson was viewed as a top 3 ACC team. But Clemson was bested by WVU at home with their ace on the mound. WVU is better than you are giving credit for. They were the champions of the Big 12, who just so happens to have a team in Omaha. You are overrating Tennessee on the road
I'm not having an "on paper" conversation. I'm talking about how WVU actually played in the Super...and how LSU actually played in the Regional.
WVU's pitching was terrible. They had a starter almost die on the mound. And, they also fielded the ball poorly. Nobody in the world can honestly say that WVU played well during the Super Regionals. LSU was never tested.
In the regionals, LSU allowed itself to be blown out by LR in a game that LR had very little pitching remaining. Then, LSU struggled for a significant period with LR in the next game when LR had zero pitching remaining. To try and classify that as LSU stepping its game up is lunacy. I don't think you even believe that. I don't think any honest person believes that. You'd have to pretend that Jared Jones wasn't slumping majorly...or that LSU didn't have to majorly shift its lineup to shake things up.
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Posted on 6/13/25 at 10:19 am to moneyg
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West Virginia walked (BB/HBP) 25 batters in 2 games.
Tennessee walked (BB/HBP) 10 in Game 2.
Would you say that was a good performance that resulted in a battle-tested opponent, or that their "pitching was terrible" and "Nobody in the world can honestly say that [team] played well"?
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:21 am to studentsect
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Tennessee walked (BB/HBP) 10 in Game 2.
Would you say that was a good performance that resulted in a battle-tested opponent, or that their "pitching was terrible" and "Nobody in the world can honestly say that [team] played well"?
Very good performance against a quality pitcher who had good stuff.
They were up against Doyle. He had two walks (one intentional) and zero HBP before Arkansas ran him from the game. They had 2 more walks through middle of the 7th (neither scored). Doyle struck out 6 of the 11 batters he got out.
Tennessee fell apart after that in an 8-1 game and walked 4 in the 7th. But at that point, the HBPs and BBs accounted for 4 runs...and 1 of those BB was intentional.
The WVU performance doesn't need to even be addressed. The walks and errors gave them no chance to win.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:03 pm to moneyg
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Tennessee fell apart after that in an 8-1 game and walked 4 in the 7th. But at that point, the HBPs and BBs accounted for 4 runs...and 1 of those BB was intentional.
“It was elite baseball! They made through it 2/3 through the game with had only given up 4 runs via free bases!”
Do you not see how absurd you sound? An average of 0.6 walked players scoring per inning is very, very bad.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:22 pm to TheosDeddy
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But I challenge you to prove how their pitching is better
LSU has better starters, but their bullpen is a little deeper.
Gaeckle, Coil, Carter, Jimenez, and Gibler are all exceptional bullpen pieces.
People don't realize that Wood and Coil were both coming back from injuries during the middle of the season. I'm don't blowing Arkansas here but much like LSU they are very well balanced.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:32 pm to studentsect
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It was elite baseball! They made through it 2/3 through the game with had only given up 4 runs via free bases!”
Batting against Doyle is elite baseball for sure. Running him in 2.2 innings is elite for sure.
Walking or hitting 25 in 2 games is little league baseball. Giving up 16 runs on 8 hits is little league baseball.
I love that you are having to make the case that WVU played well and LSU had to raise its game to beat them. It’s an absurd argument. Nobody who understands baseball believes that.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:34 pm to Adam4848
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People don't realize that Wood and Coil were both coming back from injuries during the middle of the season. I'm don't blowing Arkansas here but much like LSU they are very well balanced.
On paper, Arkansas is the best team in Omaha, followed closely by LSU.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:36 pm to moneyg
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On paper, Arkansas is the best team in Omaha, followed closely by LSU.
Absolutely.
If the series was played on the road a month ago they probably take 2 of 3.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:40 pm to Adam4848
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Absolutely.
If the series was played on the road a month ago they probably take 2 of 3.
Vegas has them as the betting favorite even having to play LSU.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 1:00 pm to moneyg
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LSU played down to that competition. Arkansas raised its level of play and rolled a quality team.
It’s possible that you’re giving Tennessee too much credit and WVU too little, as far as a Super Regional opponent is concerned.
In the Regional Round, Tennessee stayed at home and went to a Game 7, while WVU went on the road and swept in 3.
Perhaps, over the last two weeks, WVU was the better team.
And let’s not forget that UT had lost, I believe, 6 of their last 7 SEC series entering the postseason. Also, let’s not forget WVU wasin line to grab a host site before losing 5 of their last 6 conference games.
This post was edited on 6/13/25 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 6/13/25 at 1:41 pm to moneyg
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Batting against Doyle is elite baseball for sure. Running him in 2.2 innings is elite for sure.
Ok man. LSU and Arkansas both earned the right to play inferior teams in the regional and super (at home) because they had the best resumes during the regular season. By your logic there is no way either team could have raised their level of play because they were both playing inferior teams.
You earn that right by being a high seed in the tournament
Posted on 6/13/25 at 2:24 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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It’s possible that you’re giving Tennessee too much credit and WVU too little, as far as a Super Regional opponent is concerned.
I'm not. I'm not evaluating WVU as an opponent. I'm evaluating their performance while here. They completely shite the bed. As a result, LSU walked through the Super Regional. Our nightmare came true and our starting pitching didn't perform like they usually do...and we still cruised.
In other words, as I've said previously, my comments aren't about WVU on paper. Whether it was heat, or sickness, or nerves, or something else, they played horribly. And, as a result, LSU was not tested. And, when you look at the regional, any fair analysis would conclude that LSU hasn't played it's best yet.
Sorry. It's just the truth.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 3:24 pm to TigerphanTigerman
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Ok man. LSU and Arkansas both earned the right to play inferior teams in the regional and super (at home) because they had the best resumes during the regular season
ok
Of course that has nothing to do with what I posted.
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By your logic there is no way either team could have raised their level of play because they were both playing inferior teams.
That's ridiculous. Tennessee has two top level pitchers and Arkansas beat one, and knocked the other out in less than 4 innings.
And, of course WVU could have shown up, pitched well, hit well, and forced LSU to raise it's game...it just didn't happen.
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You earn that right by being a high seed in the tournament
You are arguing with yourself.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 3:33 pm to Alt26
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Lose game 1 and the odds of coming back to win the CWS are low
You'd probably have to be a pretty badass frickin' team to do it, huh...
Posted on 6/13/25 at 3:47 pm to moneyg
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That's ridiculous. Tennessee has two top level pitchers and Arkansas beat one, and knocked the other out in less than 4 innings.
Again you overrating Tennessee because of their draft picks instead of their results this year on the road. Your argument is that LSU beat WVU because WVU didn't play well, but Arkansas beat Tennessee because they raised their level of play.
Can't I just argue that Tennessee didn't play well and therefore Arkansas didn't have to raise their level of play? So you will only give credit to a team whenever their opponent plays clean baseball (no walks, hit by pitch, errors, etc). Part of the game is taking advantage of the other teams mistakes. Part of having home field advantage is to induce the opponent into making mistakes they would not normally make.
LSU beat Arkansas and Tennessee this year, but I am sure you will say that doesn't count because Arkansas and Tennessee beat themselves. You don't know shite about baseball. To be specific, you don't know anything about competition in general.
This post was edited on 6/13/25 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 6/13/25 at 4:05 pm to ProjectP2294
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Always puckered.
The way he puckered and made those guys let an easy series clinching out drop was something else
Posted on 6/13/25 at 4:28 pm to TigerphanTigerman
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TigerphanTigerman
Are you really trying to make the case that a team that gave up 25 free bases and committed 4 errors in 2 games played well? Seriously?
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LSU beat Arkansas and Tennessee this year
Yes. And, LSU can definitely beat Arkansas again. You aren't keeping up with the conversation.
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I am sure you will say that doesn't count
Go through my posts in this thread and pick out the single statement you disagree with most. FYI, you won't seem me say LSU can't win. You won't see me say LSU didn't deserve to advance. You won't see me say the win didn't count. I really don't think you know what you the topic is. quote:
You don't know shite about baseball. To be specific, you don't know anything about competition in general.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 4:30 pm to Adam4848
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Arkansas is the most complete team (only slightly ahead of LSU). Eventually one of these years he's going to get a title.
Unless (as he usually does) he goes full Dave Van Horn.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 4:38 pm to Alt26
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Look at the 2013 LSU team. That may have been Mainieri's best team (regular season). Then they matched up against a team (UCLA) with tremendous pitching in the CWS.
UCLA was the weakest team in Omaha that year- they won playing small ball that worked for them...
Posted on 6/13/25 at 4:54 pm to Tarpon08
Very insightful
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