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Posted on 4/4/25 at 1:50 pm to Lester Earl
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Looking back at his pitch counts you could definitely argue he was over used,
I’m pretty sure that’s what you’re attempting to do. Keep digging and might find someone to fit the narrative.
I’m going to argue that arm issues he had at the major leagues had nothing to do with the fact that he threw 230+ pitches over two different starts.
You listed all of those pitchers and that’s the best evidence to back your whiny complaint that Kade threw too many pitches last night? Good forbid if Kade has another slow start next weekend at Auburn. LMAO
Posted on 4/4/25 at 1:53 pm to AlwysATgr
Lange took below slot money because they found something on his physical after the Cubs drafted him. His velocity had dipped a bit at lsu from his freshmen season. Once the Tigers traded for him and fixed him & moved him to the bullpen, he definitely ticked up
Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:03 pm to Lester Earl
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Lange definitely had arm issues and lost velocity going into the pro game. Looking back at his pitch counts you could definitely argue he was over used,
I don't recall Lange having serious injury issues until last year, and it wasn't even an arm issue. His velo has also gone up since college, so not sure what exactly you're talking about. His first trip to the IL wasn't until 2021 and it was for only like a month
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:47 pm to LSU316
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A real rubber arm.
On the evening of July 2, 1963 25 year old San Francisco Giants pitcher Juan Marichal and 43 year old Milwaukee Braves pitcher Warren Spahn waged the greatest pitching duel in baseball history. Each held their opponent scoreless, Marichal for 16innings and Spahn for 15 innings. Willie Mays hit a walk off homerun off Spahn in the bottom of the16th inning for a 1-0 victory. The home run was on 43 year old Spahn's 201st pitch. Marichal threw 227 pitches in his 16 inning shutout. Marichal, Spahn and Mays were later elected to the Hall of Fame.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:23 pm to tigerinthebayou
I respectfully disagree. I think your chance of injury goes up as your muscles get more fatigued. Especially your scapular muscles
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:07 pm to Lester Earl
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Lange took below slot money because they found something on his physical after the Cubs drafted him. His velocity had dipped a bit at lsu from his freshmen season. Once the Tigers traded for him and fixed him & moved him to the bullpen, he definitely ticked up
So...then...his arm wasn't "ruined" by the number of pitches he threw as a Tiger.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:13 pm to papt99
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I respectfully disagree. I think your chance of injury goes up as your muscles get more fatigued. Especially your scapular muscles
Athletes today are soft. In the old days people would blow out their UCL and keep pitching. Kids now are on a pitch count from young ages.
The only way to be able to throw for a long time and be effective and safe is to throw for a long time regularly. If a pitcher is used to throwing 60 pitches and then you ask him to throw 110, of course you're asking for trouble
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:33 pm to dek81572
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It's what type of pitches that are being thrown. The high velocity high spin rate cutters, splitter, sweepers and breaking pitches are what's doing it. Not so much the high velocity straight fastballs and changeups.
Y’all are trying to simplify this way too much. It’s not any one single thing.
It’s the prevalence of single sport athletes pitching year around
It’s its overuse of the youth arms.
It’s pitch type and the obsession with velocity.
Its pitch counts.
It’s rest days.
It’s a little bit of everything. But it all boils down to throwing a baseball is not healthy for the elbow. You know how to make sure you never get Tommy John? Never throw a baseball.
But it’s a sport and there are risks involved. Either sign up for them or don’t.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:40 pm to Chipand2Putts
Louis Coleman in 2006, according to the broadcast
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:43 pm to SidewalkTiger
Louis Coleman had a 7 year MLB career and his arm didn't fall off.
Tough break for the pitch count sky screamers.
Tough break for the pitch count sky screamers.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:46 pm to Chipand2Putts
Skenes fastball hit triple digits often, but nothing close to 130+
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:14 pm to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
Genuinely can't tell if you're trolling or just retarded
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:19 pm to Grim
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:38 pm to Lester Earl
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LSU has wiped old box scores up until 2010 after they re-designed the website.
You think I knew Mestepey threw exactly 153 pitches from memory? Answer: Yes, and/or you just have to know where to find them.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:45 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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In the old days people would blow out their UCL and keep pitching.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:49 pm to ell_13
I’m surprised no one got mad at me for questioning what Stanley did to Mestepey.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:51 pm to The Boat
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You think I knew Mestepey threw exactly 153 pitches from memory? Answer: Yes, and/or you just have to know where to find them.
I've found them since tBoat. Too much work though
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:55 pm to Lester Earl
Because professional organizations never find a chance to save money in negotiations do they?
Alex Lange was pitching in the minor leagues by the end of the summer 2017 (his draft year) and pitched every year without missing time for injury.
Alex Lange was pitching in the minor leagues by the end of the summer 2017 (his draft year) and pitched every year without missing time for injury.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:09 pm to Choupique19
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Alex Lange was pitching in the minor leagues by the end of the summer 2017 (his draft year) and pitched every year without missing time for injury.
Lange had a shoulder injury in 2021 and his lat literally ripped off the bone last year, ending his season and maybe his career
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