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re: LSU's financial crisis
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:54 am to FMTiger
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:54 am to FMTiger
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I just wrote a $13K check to LSU for him to go which includes the tuition, dorm, books and meal plan.
I can emphasize with you, but how about more parents making their child more responsible by taking out student loans? Down here there is a mentality that you must pay for your kid's college or they'll be working at BK. Use student loans people! It makes the kids more responsible and provides the parents more responsibility for their primary investing goal, which should be saving for retirement.
This post was edited on 8/27/10 at 8:55 am
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Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:58 am to ForeLSU
Raising TOPS standards will not increase money to the university it will probably reduce the number of students and reduce the state funded tuition going to the University. The originator of this topic is right. There are two ways out raise tuition or find state dollars to fund higher education. We are about to experience the worst threat to education and thereby economic development we have ever seen in this state. This threatens all of the universities not just LSU. The reason we are seeing annual increases in tuition is because for the past three years higher education has experience about 10% cuts per year. the proposal for next year 2011-12 is another 25-30% cut. This would be devastating.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:00 am to FMTiger
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Good glory, Rockyn, are you that insensitive?
Absolutely. Tough times call for assholes usually.
If you want to send your child to a school you have problems affording, that's your deal. Blame your kid for not doing better in school.
LSU can't subsidize everyone.
Perhaps I should have refrained from the bottom of the litter comment. Your child wouldn't qualify as that. But that doesn't mean he/she should be entitled to a scholarship because of reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with him/her as a student. And yes, most of the people who take advantage of this are towards the bottom of the litter.
I'm honestly not trying to sound like an a-hole, but really, if a student's not of the caliber to qualify for a merit scholarship (which is ridiculously easy, even for SEC standards), I really can't feel that bad that said student is going to be denied a free lunch.
Furthermore, need-based financial aid is also extremely easy to obtain, so I don't know if that 13k check bothers me. If his schooling is putting a strain on your wallet, you probably should've considered aid or another school.
This post was edited on 8/27/10 at 9:28 am
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:02 am to RemouladeSawce
then you fit the bill perfectly
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:02 am to Tigertown in ATL
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And insensitive is only part of the story. If he thinks they will replace the 3.44 students with in staters with the same GPAs etc. he is dreaming.
I agree with this also. If people are thinking that you are going to find better students in the Louisiana school system compared to out of state, they are sorely mistaken.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:04 am to LSUTiger2001
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I agree with this also. If people are thinking that you are going to find better students in the Louisiana school system compared to out of state, they are sorely mistaken.
Who said anything about replacing these students?
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:07 am to oiltiger
Just a few things on this issue:
1.) Mike Martin is trying hard to get LSU and the business community to have better relations. LSU has traditionally isolated itself from the community and has not joined in business relationships that could be profitable for business and the university alike. If LSU partners with successful businesses (and I don't mean just advertising) the university could become more self-sufficient and keep prices down.
2.) The average ACT score of the incoming freshman class is 26. The academic standards that were started with Mark Emmert and that have continued since then are successful and improving the academic nature of LSU. That being said, LSU is not yet in a position where it has high enough demand to drastically increase tuition. The path being followed now seems to be working since recent increases in tuition are still being met with increased enrollment of better students. I see no reason to deviate from the current path.
3.)TOPS is a joke. It's a great idea and great incentive but its application is a joke. Serious consideration needs to be given to the criteria for this program. It rewards those who are not committed to academics the same as those who are. Like another poster mentioned, I would love to see the graduation rate of those receiving TOPS. I would love to see an escrow account that must be paid into by students receiving TOPS whereby the money is returned to the student for each successful semester of school. The account could be rolled over the next semester and upon graduation, the money is returned to the student in full. Adversely, an unsuccessful semester would mean a forfeiture of the funds.
Whatever is done, I sympathize with the OP. We all need to do what we can to keep LSU strong. For many of us, it was our childhood, our adolescence, and our adulthood. Let's give it the respect and love it deserves.
1.) Mike Martin is trying hard to get LSU and the business community to have better relations. LSU has traditionally isolated itself from the community and has not joined in business relationships that could be profitable for business and the university alike. If LSU partners with successful businesses (and I don't mean just advertising) the university could become more self-sufficient and keep prices down.
2.) The average ACT score of the incoming freshman class is 26. The academic standards that were started with Mark Emmert and that have continued since then are successful and improving the academic nature of LSU. That being said, LSU is not yet in a position where it has high enough demand to drastically increase tuition. The path being followed now seems to be working since recent increases in tuition are still being met with increased enrollment of better students. I see no reason to deviate from the current path.
3.)TOPS is a joke. It's a great idea and great incentive but its application is a joke. Serious consideration needs to be given to the criteria for this program. It rewards those who are not committed to academics the same as those who are. Like another poster mentioned, I would love to see the graduation rate of those receiving TOPS. I would love to see an escrow account that must be paid into by students receiving TOPS whereby the money is returned to the student for each successful semester of school. The account could be rolled over the next semester and upon graduation, the money is returned to the student in full. Adversely, an unsuccessful semester would mean a forfeiture of the funds.
Whatever is done, I sympathize with the OP. We all need to do what we can to keep LSU strong. For many of us, it was our childhood, our adolescence, and our adulthood. Let's give it the respect and love it deserves.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:08 am to RemouladeSawce
It's empathize, not emphasize. And it's short sightedness not shortsidedness.
Houston, I beleive I see the problem.
Perhaps LSU is ok with being second rate.
Houston, I beleive I see the problem.
Perhaps LSU is ok with being second rate.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:13 am to RemouladeSawce
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Who said anything about replacing these students?
Who said that you said it?
It has been mentioned a few times in the 2 threads regarding this issue.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:16 am to RemouladeSawce
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The only people losing out on this are the bottom of the litter who will no longer be given things just because daddy was a frat star back in the day.
This
And requirements for TOPS are too low for a state already struggling (#45 ACT scores). This bar must be raised to raise lower education. The majority of students will do only as much as needed for TOPS qualification.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:16 am to LSUTiger2001
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Who said that you said it?
It has been mentioned a few times in the 2 threads regarding this issue.
You're implying that these out-of-state students that won't be eligible for legacy scholarships would be replaced by in-state students.
Why is it assumed that this should be the case? The student body needs much less watering down.
This post was edited on 8/27/10 at 9:17 am
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:18 am to oiltiger
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However, if the legislature would allow LSU to set the tuition, and it was raised slightly, LSU would be able to survive the massive state budget cuts.
Pretty sure they raised it 10% this past year, and will do so again.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:20 am to PacLSU
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Mike Martin is trying hard to get LSU and the business community to have better relations. LSU has traditionally isolated itself from the community and has not joined in business relationships that could be profitable for business and the university alike. If LSU partners with successful businesses (and I don't mean just advertising) the university could become more self-sufficient and keep prices down.
I think that this is a huge deal. For the life of me I can't understand why LSU and the local community don't see the benefits of forming a strong partnership. It could help both the city and the university immensely. UT and the City of Austin have a fantastic relationship, and it strenthens both parties. It would be great if the same thing could happen in Baton Rouge.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:26 am to RemouladeSawce
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The only people losing out on this are the bottom of the litter who will no longer be given things just because daddy was a frat star back in the day.
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If you want to send your child to a school you have problems affording, that's your deal. Blame your kid for not doing better in school.
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And yes, most of the people who take advantage of this are towards the bottom of the litter.
Your tone in all this is as if LSU wasn't super stingy on scholarships and this only effects the bottom teir students who may not even have been worthy of going to university, and that the OOS kids didn't have to pay double tuition basically.
I was in the top 10% of LSU's incoming freshman class.
They gave me 2000 dollars over 4 years compared to ~25-30 thousand dollar packages I was offered at other universities.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:28 am to oldmantig
Georgia raised requirements for hope scholarship. Which meant the bottom of the litter kids from instate schools couldn't get a free ride. You know there is a discrepency throught every school system in every state. A 3.0 at one school does not equal a 3.0 at another. Oh and uga has no problem dealing kids from out of state. Especially the good students from Louisiana.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:30 am to PacLSU
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1.) Mike Martin is trying hard to get LSU and the business community to have better relations. LSU has traditionally isolated itself from the community and has not joined in business relationships that could be profitable for business and the university alike. If LSU partners with successful businesses (and I don't mean just advertising) the university could become more self-sufficient and keep prices down.
They have! LSU recently purchased more land on the LSU South Campus for more businesses. EA Sports has been a huge success over there and rumored to be expanding as well.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:31 am to oiltiger
Excuse my ignorance because I have no clue on this subject....But it seems like TOPS really hurts the school money wise no?
It's retardedly easy to get a 3.0 in high school so it seems like everyone in LA goes to school for free.
I'm sure I'm missing something though.
It's retardedly easy to get a 3.0 in high school so it seems like everyone in LA goes to school for free.
I'm sure I'm missing something though.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:32 am to Tigertown in ATL
I'm from new jersey and i got to lsu. i mainly came here because Rutgers which is NJ's state school. is double. yes double what lsu costs. and thats for in-state residents. just something for you guys to chew on
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:43 am to GeauxTigers8
However, LSU is no where near Rutgers in terms of academics.
LSU hasnt even announced the cuts for mid sept. They announced the cuts at the end of August for a 23% budget reduction. Up until this point we had between a 5-8% cut which has trimmed the various depts down to bare bones and in many cases the federal stimulus dollars greatly helped LSU out.
Now, the depts are trimmed lean and federal stimulus dollars are gone.
Now they dont think 23% cut will be enough so they uppped it to 35% cut. Talk about catastrophic.
Things are starting to get ugly. Many faculty will be leaving for greener pastures and many have already.
It appears LSU doesnt want to eliminate some of the administrative positions. LSU has like 18 assistant vice provost positions?? They'd rather cut 80 facility service arborist staff than 2 administrative positions.
LSU hasnt even announced the cuts for mid sept. They announced the cuts at the end of August for a 23% budget reduction. Up until this point we had between a 5-8% cut which has trimmed the various depts down to bare bones and in many cases the federal stimulus dollars greatly helped LSU out.
Now, the depts are trimmed lean and federal stimulus dollars are gone.
Now they dont think 23% cut will be enough so they uppped it to 35% cut. Talk about catastrophic.
Things are starting to get ugly. Many faculty will be leaving for greener pastures and many have already.
It appears LSU doesnt want to eliminate some of the administrative positions. LSU has like 18 assistant vice provost positions?? They'd rather cut 80 facility service arborist staff than 2 administrative positions.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:44 am to TexasTigah
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It's retardedly easy to get a 3.0 in high school so it seems like everyone in LA goes to school for free.
Just depends on the school and the classes that are taken. Now days it's really hard to compare GPAs even within a school due to the different levels of classes that are available. I think a better indictor would be the SAT or ACT scores.
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