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re: Matt Canada is out of work
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:20 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:20 pm to lsufball19
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So because I don't agree with you that Canada is a good coach, I'm dumb. Ok
Right! It seems like we have regressed back to when Coach O was hired and Canada let go on this site again with this topic!
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:22 pm to Nolaughingmatter
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O at least recognized that it wasn't the right fit and fired him
O should have recognized this wouldn’t work from the start. He did no vetting or interview of Canada. Per Jordy Cullotta, once Kiffin fell through, O told Derek fricking Ponamsky to look up the next big name. That was the extent of the search.
The Canada hate from the O nut gobblers is hilarious considering he was never allowed to actually run his offense while at LSU. Now we’re supposed to believe Ensminger will be a radically different play caller because LSU hired a former Saints assistant to coach the receivers.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:29 pm to logjamming
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O should have recognized this wouldn’t work from the start. He did no vetting or interview of Canada. Per Jordy Cullotta, once Kiffin fell through, O told Derek fricking Ponamsky to look up the next big name. That was the extent of the search.
The Canada hate from the O nut gobblers is hilarious considering he was never allowed to actually run his offense while at LSU. Now we’re supposed to believe Ensminger will be a radically different play caller because LSU hired a former Saints assistant to coach the receivers.
Y'all mother frickers were pissed when he brought in Sullivan and now y'all pissed that he brought in a young minded Brady, which of whom was coaching on the Saints coaching staff
frick Matt Canada, he's gone and that whole situation is gone! The OP was just pointing out that he is off to another school again and y'all are spinning this shite all kinda ways!
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:33 pm to Nissanmaxima
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and now y'all pissed that he brought in a young minded Brady
Who is mad at this?
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The OP was just pointing out that he is off to another school again and y'all are spinning this shite all kinda ways!
Why is anything about Canada relevant to this board? This post was made to push a narrative, plain and simple.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:36 pm to Nissanmaxima
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y'all still out there huh?
The fact that anyone can suggest Ensminger is a better OC is what's laughable.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:37 pm to slackster
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but his offense was highly efficient in that one year here
Highly efficient?? You're either applying that word wrong or you have a fuzzy memory of that year. Let me remind you:
Total Offense: 54th nationally, 7th in the SEC
Scoring Offense: 76th, 9th
Rushing Offense: 28th, 5th
Passing Offense: 84th, 8th
Penalties: 57th, 9th
First Downs: 78th, 7th
3rd down converstions: 41%, 51st, 7th
Red Zone conversions: 77%, 105th, 14th. Dead Last
Red Zone TD%: 80th, 11th
I threw the TD% in there for all of the people that would mention the horrible fg kicking this year skewing our red zone stats.
That is a mediocre season at best. What about that is highly efficient?
And for the fans of Canada - check his record. A season like the one LSU had is not the outlier. It is the norm for him. His season at Pitt is the outlier in his career. If you make the tired excuse that O meddled in his offense then you would have to say that was his issue at every other stop of his career. Or maybe he didn't have the players we had... or some other excuse. Its always an excuse yet the guy can't keep a job.
"But the bama game" - there's a lot of issues with judging someone based off of 1 game, but I take even more issue with thinking someone is great b/c we scored 10 points and lost by 2 td's. That's sad. Its sad that we got excited by that loss.
I've seen a post on here that said he outgained bama. He outgained them by 7 whole yards! I guess yall forget DW busted a 54 yard run on them. It wasn't a sweep or coming off of misdirection... bama made a mistake and DW made them pay. That's 54 yards that Canada fans can use to show that he outgained bama on the way to a 1 TD offensive performance.
He is mediocre, folks. Many games at Maryland last year they went into half time with less than 20 yards. 3 games last year they had less than 200 yards of total offense. No tds in any of those games.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:39 pm to Nissanmaxima
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Y'all mother frickers were pissed when he brought in Sullivan and now y'all pissed that he brought in a young minded Brady, which of whom was coaching on the Saints coaching staff
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which of whom was coaching on the Saints coaching staff
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which of whom
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:59 pm to Tigerpride18
I started with Florida on another post in this thread.
No w let's see what happened against auburn that year.
Russell gage 2car 71 yards
Dillon 2 car 8yrds
Ole miss was all guice 22 car for 276 yards, didn't need the jet sweep that game
Against bama didn't run much sweep. But it may have helped create a few holes for- d williams 7 car 83 yards, d guice 19car for 71 yards. also we did run the sweep a little ,Gage 6 car for 26yds
Arkansas, we ran sweep with Gage once for 15
Guice had 147 on 21 cars
Vs Tenn, Williams had 7 for 68 and guice had 24 for 97...not much sweep and not very good on offense but won
Against a and m.. Guice had 28 for 127..not much sweep, think he got the message to cut down on sweeps, cuz we barely ran them as you can see, at the end of the year. PS. Had to put down ettlings numbers cuz they were unreal. 19 for 30 347 yards 3 tds no ints
Bowl game against Notre Dame. Guice had about 100 yards and Williams had 47 . Once again, only one sweep to a wr, Gage had 1 car for 15 yards. Ettling was great again 19 for 33 229 and 2tds
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17car 69 yards, guice didn't play, but only 2 sweeps by Dillon for 27 yards.. Ettling was good 17 for 25 and 198 yards 2 tds and 1 pic. Brennan was 4 for 7 68 yards 1td and 1 it.
Syracuse , jet sweeps by dj 3 for 27 , also had Gage 1 for 11..dillon had 1 for 6.
Ms state, worst Lsu loss I've seen in my life, it was before. I forgot that the close call, syracuse win and then the Troy loss was after that... I bet the melt was unreal on here, I missed it, what was it like on here?
Chattanooga game was a few deep passes and guice for 100 ,and the combo of Williams and brossette for over 100.. Had a few jet sweeps for not much at all.
Byu 6 for 43 on jet sweeps... Ettling was good, going 14 for 17 for 171 yds
Take away, we ran the jet sweep a good bit once we started winning again after Troy , not sure what that means for the Canada o relationship..i should have put it in order, so it would be easier to see trends.
Also. Ettling played well when the run game kept us from having to throw 25 times a game..when we ran it well the offense worked all together, when we couldn't run, we got in trouble throwing too much ,
I was trying to show what the jet sweep did that year for us... Someone had the Giff of a wr getting lit up against Florida. Seemed they forgot when it worked.
No w let's see what happened against auburn that year.
Russell gage 2car 71 yards
Dillon 2 car 8yrds
Ole miss was all guice 22 car for 276 yards, didn't need the jet sweep that game
Against bama didn't run much sweep. But it may have helped create a few holes for- d williams 7 car 83 yards, d guice 19car for 71 yards. also we did run the sweep a little ,Gage 6 car for 26yds
Arkansas, we ran sweep with Gage once for 15
Guice had 147 on 21 cars
Vs Tenn, Williams had 7 for 68 and guice had 24 for 97...not much sweep and not very good on offense but won
Against a and m.. Guice had 28 for 127..not much sweep, think he got the message to cut down on sweeps, cuz we barely ran them as you can see, at the end of the year. PS. Had to put down ettlings numbers cuz they were unreal. 19 for 30 347 yards 3 tds no ints
Bowl game against Notre Dame. Guice had about 100 yards and Williams had 47 . Once again, only one sweep to a wr, Gage had 1 car for 15 yards. Ettling was great again 19 for 33 229 and 2tds
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17car 69 yards, guice didn't play, but only 2 sweeps by Dillon for 27 yards.. Ettling was good 17 for 25 and 198 yards 2 tds and 1 pic. Brennan was 4 for 7 68 yards 1td and 1 it.
Syracuse , jet sweeps by dj 3 for 27 , also had Gage 1 for 11..dillon had 1 for 6.
Ms state, worst Lsu loss I've seen in my life, it was before. I forgot that the close call, syracuse win and then the Troy loss was after that... I bet the melt was unreal on here, I missed it, what was it like on here?
Chattanooga game was a few deep passes and guice for 100 ,and the combo of Williams and brossette for over 100.. Had a few jet sweeps for not much at all.
Byu 6 for 43 on jet sweeps... Ettling was good, going 14 for 17 for 171 yds
Take away, we ran the jet sweep a good bit once we started winning again after Troy , not sure what that means for the Canada o relationship..i should have put it in order, so it would be easier to see trends.
Also. Ettling played well when the run game kept us from having to throw 25 times a game..when we ran it well the offense worked all together, when we couldn't run, we got in trouble throwing too much ,
I was trying to show what the jet sweep did that year for us... Someone had the Giff of a wr getting lit up against Florida. Seemed they forgot when it worked.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:00 pm to Beef Supreme
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Highly efficient?? You're either applying that word wrong or you have a fuzzy memory of that year. Let me remind you:
I'm applying that word relative to LSU's modern offensive numbers:
Yards Per Play - 32nd, 31st vs FBS
Yards Per Rush - 39th, 35th vs FBS
Yards Per Pass - 10th, 10th vs FBS
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"But the bama game" - there's a lot of issues with judging someone based off of 1 game, but I take even more issue with thinking someone is great b/c we scored 10 points and lost by 2 td's. That's sad. Its sad that we got excited by that loss.
Canada called an offense that game that put players in space and in positions to make plenty of plays. Etling just completely shite the bed.
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He is mediocre, folks
Yeah, which is better than Ensminger, which is my point.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:01 pm to Tigerpride18
Figured my post above was needed. Always good to have the facts of what was going on, especially in these argumentative topics
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:11 pm to Tigerpride18
I was trying to show what the jet sweep did that year for us... Someone had the Giff of a wr getting lit up against Florida. Seemed they forgot when it worked.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:24 pm to Tigerpride18
He actually scored on Bama, just saying.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:25 pm to Tigerpride18
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I was trying to show what the jet sweep did that year for us
But why hasn't it worked long term for Canada?
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:29 pm to lsufball19
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I firmly believe Orgeron mistakenly believed Kiffin was in the bag, and when Kiffin took the FAU job, he was forced to hire a name people had heard of after the comments made in his press conference. Should have 1) not said what he did to fuel the fire; and 2) he shouldn't have cared how his hire would have been received but rather cared to hire the right guy. Either way, mistakes were made by Orgeron hiring him IMO
Somewhat agree, but it just seems like a deal was made - "Listen Ed, if you can get Kiffin, great. If you can't, we get to pick."
"we" being the AD, boosters, or both
Ed wasn't going to turn down the LSU job over that contingency. He may have balked at it, but he wasn't going to turn it down.
This is all speculative but seems plausible, no?
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:36 pm to slackster
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Yeah, which is better than Ensminger, which is my point
That may by your new point, but your original point was that he was "highly efficient that one year here".
Dont take my criticism of Canada and his offense as a show of support to Ensminger and his. Both can coexist as mediocre. I'm just trying to show that Canada's year here, and the vast majority if his years everywhere else, have been mediocre. Nothing special. Yet there's a surprisingly large amount of LSU fans who seem to bend over backwards to make excuses for him, or highlight certain games while ignoring others. I mean just think about the "if etling played better we would have done better" excuse. How in the world is that any different than any other player on any random team in any game?
And you cherry pick the yards per play stats but you leave out the time of posession - we were 14th nationally in time of posession. If our yards per play was "highly efficient" (which it wasnt) and we had the ball for so long, why are our overall stats so bad?
Yall just saw something different in the motion and the concept and got hypnotized into thinking it was good. Different does not equal good. Results do. And his are mediocre.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:44 pm to thunderbird1100
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Canada had a few good years as OC, but he certainly isn't worth the headache now at multiple stops he's been at giving him the seal of disapproval it seems.
Tbh is offense is already outdated
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:45 pm to Tigerpride18
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Oh yeah we won 17 to 16, un like the 8 point loss last season.
Scored 17 whole points with a senior QB, Darius Guice/Darrel Williams, veteran OL, 2nd round pick WR.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:46 pm to Beef Supreme
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That is a mediocre season at best.
Although I just quoted one of your remarks, you are spot on.
A comparison of 2017 under Canada and 2018 under Ensminger is almost a wash. Plus Canada had a 2nd round draft choice at RB and a 2nd Round WR, plus an experienced quarterback.
Canada's offense was nothing to write home about. Gadget plays to offensive linemen does not make a creative genius. It was obvious in the 2017 Spring Game and the BYU season opener.
You're also spot on about the Bama game. Williams long run from the wildcat was the highlight of the game for us but it wasn't because Canada out schemed Bama.
Whoever posted that is was bad judgement is correct. Orgeron picked the first hot name without really examining what he was getting. He let the pressure of trying to make a splashy hire cloud his decision making. He wanted to get out of the shadow of Miles offensive failures in modernizing the scheme.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:50 pm to LSU Patrick
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Too bad O was mean to him and didn't give him a chance
if Canada didn't drink alcohol or have a wife, he could go toe to toe with any offensive coordinator that ever lived.
I don't blame him though for wanting to go to alcohol dinners with his wife instead of be an offensive coordinator, because I would choose that also.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:51 pm to Beef Supreme
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And for the fans of Canada - check his record. A season like the one LSU had is not the outlier. It is the norm for him. His season at Pitt is the outlier in his career. If you make the tired excuse that O meddled in his offense then you would have to say that was his issue at every other stop of his career. Or maybe he didn't have the players we had... or some other excuse. Its always an excuse yet the guy can't keep a job.
This seems like pertinent information our head coach might have used before hiring him then, huh?
Had he done this much research, we could have avoided that hire, hired a coach that actually RAN what he said he wanted to run, and we'd currently be entering Year 3 of that OC's system.
Instead, we're on what amounts to our third straight different OC and system, and we're being told this is a good thing, because it shows Orgeron adapts.
I honestly have no dog in the fight of whether or not Matt Canada is any good...but if the narrative is that he sucks, always did AND he was always an a-hole...then why is it Ed Orgeron seems to get a pass for hiring him and placing the program in jeopardy? A program that was, let me remind everyone, a solid OC and offense away from being right back at the top...or so we were told.
Essentially...the ONE big hire he needed to make upon taking over the gig, he swings and misses badly. but to hear posts like yours, it wasn't even a swing any rational informed coach should have made...because it was obvious Canada was not any good.
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