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re: Pete Maravich's scoring average #2 never-to-be broken record
Posted on 6/18/12 at 1:35 pm to Wooly
Posted on 6/18/12 at 1:35 pm to Wooly
quote:
cal ripkin jr's record? that would be a solid number one for all sports
DiMaggios hitting streak is it. It defies statistical probability, that is to say it is the only record that could not have been predicted at the extremes of likelihood based on the total number of major league games played, at-bats, etc in history. It is basically impossible, but it happened.
eta: should have said only baseball record that is outside the realm of statistical predictability
This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 1:38 pm
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 1:40 pm to saturday
Paul Westphal once said Pete was the only person on the planet he wouldn't want to play HORSE against.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:10 pm to Jay Quest
Paul Westphal was pretty badass himself, before he tore up a knee...
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:18 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:It's in the link I gave.
but its College Basketball records only, that's not clear in the OP
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:54 pm to TigerRad
I think PM's record defies statistical probability more than a 56 game hitting streak.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 5:59 pm to White Shadeaux
quote:DiMaggio's hitting streak is a complete anomaly. He batted around .360 or so (not looking it up).
I think PM's record defies statistical probability more than a 56 game hitting streak.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:52 pm to LSURussian
quote:Yup, and that's without him knowing about it. He took that many long shots just for the hell of it. If you'd have told him he'd get 3 points for those long jumpers and only 2 points for layups, he would have never taken a shot under 19'9". And averaged about 60 points.
I read somewhere that someone went back and analyzed film of Pete's shots and something like 30% of his made shots would have been three pointers thus adding between 8 and 10 points to his average
Posted on 6/18/12 at 8:09 pm to White Shadeaux
I don't know about that. He shot the ball a whole lot. He was the offense. There were no other options. He got 40+ attempts a game, every single game. The hitting streak is more improbable speaking in terms of probability. But as a Pistol idolizer of course I biasedly think his scoring average is the better record.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 8:19 pm to King Joey
I saw Pete Maravich play many times as a kid for the Jazz.
For those wondering about how he would do against modern athletes, consider that he was playing regularly with contemporaries like Dr.J, Kareem, David Thompson, Dennis Johnson, George Gervin, Moses Malone, Bernard King ( I think) Earl Monroe and Clyde Frazier. I would have to look it up but it couldn't have been that many years before Magic was in the league. So there were plenty of athletes comparable to today's in my opinion.
I was at the Superdome when he played his last game pre-knee injury. I forget who they were playing against but they were on a big win streak at the time and it was looking like they were going to contend (Pete and Truck Robinson were the whole team surrounded by NOBODY). They started pulling away from this team when they had a fast break. Maravich got hold of the ball probably 20 feet BEHIND half court and threw a pass between his legs for a perfect alley oop to Aaron James for the bucket. The dome went f'in crazy and then everyone's eyes went back to Pete and he was down on the court holding his knee.
Knee surgeries weren't what they are these days and he was never the same player. That play alone from anyone else would have seemed like the most unbelievable play you had ever seen, but he had so many ridiculous moments like this that I don't even know if I have read or ever seen a highlight of it.
Have never seen any player like him.
For those wondering about how he would do against modern athletes, consider that he was playing regularly with contemporaries like Dr.J, Kareem, David Thompson, Dennis Johnson, George Gervin, Moses Malone, Bernard King ( I think) Earl Monroe and Clyde Frazier. I would have to look it up but it couldn't have been that many years before Magic was in the league. So there were plenty of athletes comparable to today's in my opinion.
I was at the Superdome when he played his last game pre-knee injury. I forget who they were playing against but they were on a big win streak at the time and it was looking like they were going to contend (Pete and Truck Robinson were the whole team surrounded by NOBODY). They started pulling away from this team when they had a fast break. Maravich got hold of the ball probably 20 feet BEHIND half court and threw a pass between his legs for a perfect alley oop to Aaron James for the bucket. The dome went f'in crazy and then everyone's eyes went back to Pete and he was down on the court holding his knee.
Knee surgeries weren't what they are these days and he was never the same player. That play alone from anyone else would have seemed like the most unbelievable play you had ever seen, but he had so many ridiculous moments like this that I don't even know if I have read or ever seen a highlight of it.
Have never seen any player like him.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 9:06 pm to drizztiger
Not an equal comparison with DiMaggio's streak, but it is nearly impossible to imagine someone averaging 40+ points a game in today's college basketball over the course of two years, and then coming back for a third year. Hell, it's hard enough to imagine someone doing it one year and coming back for even their second season.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 9:25 pm to LSURussian
Anybody with some extra time to kill, this documentary goes more in depth to Pistol's life and career more than any other I've ever seen or read
PISTOL
PISTOL
Posted on 6/18/12 at 10:43 pm to Cajun Revolution
quote:
CajunRevolution
I don't see the guy approaching Lebron or Durant. I'm sorry but I don't see him eclipsing Steve Nash's prime. Nash won two MVPs but I still think Nash prime vs. Maravich prime...Nash wins everytime.
you shut your whore mouth!
Even Nash would tell you youre crazy!
and for the question of adding in the 3-pt stats, Pete would have AVERAGED 57 POINTS PER GAME...A-V-E-R-A-G-E-D!!!! Most "stars" have never scored that in 1 game alone! let that sink in..
Posted on 6/18/12 at 11:46 pm to Cajun Revolution
quote:
I don't see the guy approaching Lebron or Durant. I'm sorry but I don't see him eclipsing Steve Nash's prime. Nash won two MVPs but I still think Nash prime vs. Maravich prime...Nash wins everytime.
Are you giving Pete the extra step and a half they give guys nowadays? Heck, LeBron would never get the ball to handle under the rules in Pete's days. And Nash is very very good (not sure that he won 2 MVP's, he was cheated out of at least one by the NBA front runners) but he was never as good as Pete was, especially early on. You have to remember that he was the second option at PG when he went to the Mavs and was 3rd string on the Suns.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 11:52 pm to jonanthans
quote:fricking all of this.57 ppg average
you shut your whore mouth!
Even Nash would tell you youre crazy!
and for the question of adding in the 3-pt stats, Pete would have AVERAGED 57 POINTS PER GAME...A-V-E-R-A-G-E-D!!!! Most "stars" have never scored that in 1 game alone! let that sink in..
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:46 am to tigerblood29
I had the pleasure of along with a couple of my friends hosting Pete on the weekend he was inducted into the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame in Natchitoches. Pete was so interesting to talk to. He had been drug and alcohol free for several years at that time and was a health freak never eating anything that wasn't natural or organic. Very intelligent and very likable. There was a golf tournament for all of the locals and the Hall of Fame inductees. He borrowed a set of clubs and we played in a 6 man scramble. He was so damn competitive and really wanted to win the tournament which we did in a 3 team sudden death playoff. It was a one of the highlights of my life back then to have gotten to spend several hours that weekend with my childhood idol. He had grown into a very good person,good father and husband. Sad to see him go at such a young age. TYhe greatest College player of all-time.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 12:02 pm to Godfather1
quote:
If I had to say for all sports, however, I'd say that Cy Young's 511 wins is about as untouchable as it gets, followed by DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak.
Cal Ripkens consecutive game streak.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 12:47 pm to White Shadeaux
quote:
I think PM's record defies statistical probability more than a 56 game hitting streak.
maybe for Cal's consecutive games, but i don't know about Dimaggio's hit streak. that was pretty amazing. it would be close.
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