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re: Playoff good as is? Or need to be expanded?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:03 am to Courvillicious
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:03 am to Courvillicious
The answer needs to be shaped by the goal of a playoff system.
THE GOAL: find the one team at the end (T-final) that has demonstrated its on-field superiority to the exclusion of the most number of other teams.
It is NOT to find the 2, 4, 8 "best" teams at some time prior to T-final. This was the huge mistake in 2011. Neither we nor Bama demonstrated our superiority to Okie St.
THE GOAL: find the one team at the end (T-final) that has demonstrated its on-field superiority to the exclusion of the most number of other teams.
It is NOT to find the 2, 4, 8 "best" teams at some time prior to T-final. This was the huge mistake in 2011. Neither we nor Bama demonstrated our superiority to Okie St.
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Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:04 am to Courvillicious
I'd like an 8 team playoff. 16 is too much. But you're fooling yourself if you think the NCAA won't keep expanding it as they see the dollar signs.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:07 am to lsu2006
This would be sick
tPirate vs Saban
Harbaugh VS Kirby
O vs Dabo
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 10:08 am
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:07 am to rbdallas
quote:you do realize the BCS formula was 2/3 human polls, and those were the silly polls that reporters/media/coaches fill out in 5 minutes, without any meaningful analysis.
Now, we talk about the BEST 4 teams, but everyone knows that’s BS, because they are analyzed conference by conference….so is it the best 4 or not?
… we are back to HUMANS, POLITICS and POWER.
The other 1/3 was computers, but you do realize humans control the formula, and it's tweaked every year.
I'd take a solemn committee, that actually spends a lot of time and analyzes things with a LOT of data, over the old BCS method any day of the week. It's much like the March Madness committee, which is universally respected for the analysis they put into their selections.
With teams only playing 12 games, and 8 or 9 of those are in their own conference, there's no firm set of data that a computer can use, because the conferences are so compartmentalized.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:12 am to Courvillicious
LSU lost its playoff game.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:12 am to Courvillicious
The perfect number for the playoff is 5. #2 plays #5, $3 plays #4, the 2 winners play each other, and the winner of that game plays Alabama. Alabama gets a bye into the title game every year and that way more teams get an opportunity to get beaten by them. 
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:19 am to Andychapman13
Both the pros and lower division college football has had a playoff system consisting of more than 4 teams and it has worked damn near perfectly. There's never been any complaining about either playoff system. However, there has been constant complaining about the current system for major college football. The argument of an undefeated team dropping a game to 1 loss team and missing the playoffs holds no water. Don't lose to a 1 loss team. The playoff system should be 8 teams. It should reward conference champions by earning a playoff spot....just like the pros. you end up with 3 at-large or wildcard teams making it. That way an undefeated team like UCF would get their chance to be humiliated when they face real competition.
Personally, I've always hated the Champion based on ranks as much as I hate "college football is better when ND is relevant" argument. Fruck ND, fruck a 4 team playoff and fruck rank based championships. Settle it on the field the way it was intended.
Personally, I've always hated the Champion based on ranks as much as I hate "college football is better when ND is relevant" argument. Fruck ND, fruck a 4 team playoff and fruck rank based championships. Settle it on the field the way it was intended.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:19 am to Courvillicious
It needs to be 6 or 12, with the top seeds getting a bye and home field (to help maintain reg season importance), up until the final game that would be bid out like the super bowl each year. Personally, I prefer 12.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:19 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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in light of 2007, I don't think we have any right to complain about this.
We at least won our conference.
2011 is our right to complain about this.
Why any complaint about 2011? LSU got to the championship game and was allowed to play a team it had only played a few weeks before and beaten. If OSU and Michigan got a rematch in the championship game, would you think the loser of the first game had some kind of advantage?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:32 am to Courvillicious
At the moment, 6 or 4 is perfect. Sadly, I doubt the framework is sufficiently dynamic to be able have conditionally have either 4 or 6 team playoff based on how the season evolves.
I would be shocked and amazed if the next version included mechanisms which supported this, especially getting the media on board.
Unless that hypothetical occurs, stay at 4. 8 is too many, 16 is way too many.
I would be shocked and amazed if the next version included mechanisms which supported this, especially getting the media on board.
Unless that hypothetical occurs, stay at 4. 8 is too many, 16 is way too many.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:33 am to IDVague
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Why any complaint about 2011? LSU got to the championship game and was allowed to play a team it had only played a few weeks before and beaten. If OSU and Michigan got a rematch in the championship game, would you think the loser of the first game had some kind of advantage?
Because when playing really good teams, it’s extremely hard to beat them twice. If you don’t think this is true then you are lying to yourself.
Letting a team that didn’t win their conference into the playoffs basically makes conference championships meaningless.
It actually benefits Bama to lose a game and sit out the conference championship so they can get extra rest.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:41 am to bigosports
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No way in hell. I want the four best teams period!!
With this logic, why even play the games? It doesn’t matter whether or not you win.
If at the end of the year the 4 most talented teams get in the playoffs then Bama could go 0-12 and would still make it cuz they are undoubtedly the most talented team in the country.
hell bama shouldn’t even play any games until the playoffs cuz it’s an unnecessary risk.
I want teams to WIN their way into the playoffs. If 9-3 Northwestern wins the big 10 then he’ll yeah I want them in the playoffs. Cinderella stories are great.
You know what’s not great? Watching the same 5 or 6 teams play in the playoffs every year.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:50 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Why any complaint about 2011? LSU got to the championship game and was allowed to play a team it had only played a few weeks before and beaten. If OSU and Michigan got a rematch in the championship game, would you think the loser of the first game had some kind of advantage?
Because when playing really good teams, it’s extremely hard to beat them twice. If you don’t think this is true then you are lying to yourself.
Letting a team that didn’t win their conference into the playoffs basically makes conference championships meaningless.
It actually benefits Bama to lose a game and sit out the conference championship so they can get extra rest.
So, if somehow the stars aligned for LSU to be in the top 4 of the CFP in December, you would say that they shouldn't play because they didn't win the SEC? Even though you think they would have an easier time with Alabama the 2nd time around? Okay then.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:52 am to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:no it doesn't, not at all. Conference championships are still an enormous source of pride, and conference champs usually get into the playoffs. So winning the conference is huge.
Letting a team that didn’t win their conference into the playoffs basically makes conference championships meaningless.
But letting in a non-conference champ recognizes the fact that one conference (or even one division) may have the best two teams in the country (or at least in the top 4), and it's not right penalize that second team.
It's the main reason pro leagues have wild cards - to reward deserving teams that happen to be in a very strong division and don't win it.
It's really quite simple.
And again, if LSU went 11-1 and our only loss was a close one to undefeated Bama, we'd be HOWLING that we deserve to get in the playoff, and rightfully so.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 10:53 am
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:54 am to IDVague
Objectively, yes. I do not think LSU should get in the playoffs this year cuz we will not win the SEC.
But As an LSU fan, I wouldn’t complain about it one bit.
Just because I’d be happy LSU got invited doesn’t mean that I think it’s the ideal scenario when looking at the big picture.
But As an LSU fan, I wouldn’t complain about it one bit.
Just because I’d be happy LSU got invited doesn’t mean that I think it’s the ideal scenario when looking at the big picture.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:59 am to atltiger6487
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It's the main reason pro leagues have wild cards
I keep reading this but it’s apples to oranges.
The NFL has a 12 team playoff. Not a 4 team playoff.
Pro leagues do have wild cards but they don’t screw over division champs in the process.
Penn state win the big 10 and got sent to the rose bowl while Ohio state got in the playoffs over them.
Do you think penn state fans would choose a conference championship over a playoff appearance?
The answer is no they wouldn’t. The current system makes conference championships consultation prizes at best.
Does anyone give a frick that we won the SEC in 2011. Not really cuz we got fricked over and had to play Bama AGAIN even though we beat them on the road in the regular season.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:04 am to atltiger6487
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if LSU went 11-1 and our only loss was a close one to undefeated Bama, we'd be HOWLING that we deserve to get in the playoff,
Here’s the harsh dose of reality. LSU probably doesn’t get in the playoffs if they go 11-1 but don’t make the conference championship unless 2 other power 5 conference has a 2 loss champ AND ND has 2 losses.
Only teams like Bama, Ohio State, and possibly Clemson would be afforded that opportunity cuz of the eye test which is really a way of saying that they like the name on the front of the Jersey.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 11:06 am
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:07 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Playoff good as is? Or need to be expanded?
10 teams. Force the Independents into conferences. 10 conferences, 10 conference champions. Every school starts the season knowing exactly what they have to do to make the playoff.
Get rid of the notion that the 1A football champion has to be the "best." It's the only level of any sport where we use this criteria to determine a champion.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:10 am to Courvillicious
Will take a lot more bowl games into irrelevance. But I like the 8 game field.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:11 am to Courvillicious
In my personal opinion, and people will probably disagree with me, but I think every conference champion should be allowed to go to a playoff. You keep the integrity of the regular season and conference championships that way. No at large bids. You win your conference, you get an opportunity.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 11:15 am
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