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re: Rewatching 2011 season. Dinosaurian Offense
Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:27 am to BeeFense5
Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:27 am to BeeFense5
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Total yards is not meaningless but it also isn’t a great indicator of efficiency which is really what I think is more important.
It should probably be noted, efficiency of the 2011 offense was mentioned. Regardless it was run heavy and the inability to throw when necessary vs good defenses caught up at the end. The last two games, we had less than 100 passing yards total.
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Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
30 passing yards against UGA. But muh efficiency. 
Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:41 am to Madking
Yeah I go with yards per play and red zone efficiency as key important factors when measuring an offense. Getting the mos t yards out of every positive play is called efficiency and balance and that is a necessity when playing vs. the best competition. But getting a bunch of yards between the 20 yard lines don't add up to what is needed to win championships when a team has to settle for too many FGs and not enough TDs.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:43 am to The First Cut
Yeah, it definitely took defense and special teams to beat UGA. I think we might have had 10 yards at halftime.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:46 am to Canwoodtiger
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Yeah I go with yards per play and red zone efficiency as key important factors when measuring an offense. Getting the mos t yards out of every positive play is called efficiency and balance and that is a necessity when playing vs. the best competition. But getting a bunch of yards between the 20 yard lines don't add up to what is needed to win championships when a team has to settle for too many FGs and not enough TDs.
Yep. It's an area we have to improve on his season.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:47 am to iamandykeim
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We legitimately went I-form on every 1st and 2nd down (and short 3rd downs too).
We beat Bama doing that in “the game of the century “. It forced Saban to change. Miles became convinced he never should change. And that’s why the 2 programs are where they are 8 years later.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:53 am to la_birdman
I had a sinking feeling when JJ started against WKU after the bama game. Not a slight against JJ but I really wish Les didn’t make that change based off some speed option plays. Lee struggled vs bama obviously in that game but with him starting and sticking with what got us that far I doubt we look as stagnant in the first halves of those arky and uga games.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:56 am to Mayhawman
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Cynical Orgeron worshiper mantra.
You could do better, apply for the job. Do it, show us how to beat Saban. I'm with you fellow Tiger great!
Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:58 am to BDJ
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Fournette got killed running. Into 9-10 man boxes. Oooohhhhh let’s run toss dive (worst play in football) 40 times. Same with Guice. We played to their strength and we did it almost every year under miles.
This is the truth right here!!! It worked against lesser teams but against a bigger physical D lines the Miles offense was trash!! Downvote all you want but the truth hurts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:03 am to saint tiger225
There is a difference between a conservative offense that limits TOs and a predictable offense that limits TOs.
Miles’ philosophy was to break the other teams’ will by essentially just beating them into submission. This philosophy was good when you had superior talent ion your team and LSU did against almost everyone they played.
In 2011, Bama possibly slightly less to equal talent to LSU. First go around, LSU just out manned them. Second time around, Saban used Miles’ predictability to his advantage and purely out coached Miles and dominated the game.
Miles’ philosophy was to break the other teams’ will by essentially just beating them into submission. This philosophy was good when you had superior talent ion your team and LSU did against almost everyone they played.
In 2011, Bama possibly slightly less to equal talent to LSU. First go around, LSU just out manned them. Second time around, Saban used Miles’ predictability to his advantage and purely out coached Miles and dominated the game.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:17 am to The First Cut
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Another thread where Ricky and his merry band of lemmings regurgitate the same arguments without acknowledging that Miles left a gaping hole in the offense with his 2016 recruiting class.
And here you go again blaming a guy for a class he wasn't allowed to complete. Blame Alleva for that, he's the one that pulled the plug a month into the season. Who the frick does that?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:47 am to S
Lee was done after the bama game. All of his demons came back in spades.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:48 am to S
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Lee struggled vs bama
That's so true, and he threw 2 INTs. But, Jarrett Lee had performed well all year (and in 2010 as well) prior to that Bama game. There was no good reason for Les Miles to relegate him to doghouse status for a subpar output against the nation's best defense. I'm not sure if Lee even played one down after that Bama game.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:49 am to Goldrush25
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And here you go again blaming a guy for a class he wasn't allowed to complete.
Hey genius, he finished the 2016 class and landed 75% of the 2017 class.Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:18 am to The First Cut
“30 passing yards against UGA.”
Georgia had 250. How did that work out for them?
It seems you don’t really mind the whining, but only in which direction the whining is headed.
Georgia had 250. How did that work out for them?
It seems you don’t really mind the whining, but only in which direction the whining is headed.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:20 am to Rickdaddy4188
Rick I think the stat you prefer is yards per play correct? Here are the numbers the last 10 years:
2009: 4.9
2010: 5.3
2011: 5.8
2012: 5.3
2013: 6.4
2014: 5.3
2015: 6.6
2016: 6.6
2017: 5.9
2018: 5.3
2013 was Mett/OBJ/Landry/Hill.
2015 and 2016 was Fournette/Guice
Our best years, one could argue are more a reflection of personnel. Last year we were dead last in the SEC (112th in CFB) in returning production offensively with new starting WRs, RBs, QB and 2/5 OL. I wasn't happy with SE's play calling, but we can't ignore the difficulty he faced with personnel. Brossette does not compare to Guice, Fournette or Hill and CEH/Brossette is not on the level of any other recent RB combos.
2019 will be significantly different with LSU being near the top in returning production and with the addition of a more dynamic RB with Emery. It will be interesting to see if Brady makes a difference which I think he will, but I actually feel somewhat bad for SE bc I believe from a personnel standpoint the O would be much better in 2019 regardless, but if they do show a jump, Brady will likely get all the credit.
2009: 4.9
2010: 5.3
2011: 5.8
2012: 5.3
2013: 6.4
2014: 5.3
2015: 6.6
2016: 6.6
2017: 5.9
2018: 5.3
2013 was Mett/OBJ/Landry/Hill.
2015 and 2016 was Fournette/Guice
Our best years, one could argue are more a reflection of personnel. Last year we were dead last in the SEC (112th in CFB) in returning production offensively with new starting WRs, RBs, QB and 2/5 OL. I wasn't happy with SE's play calling, but we can't ignore the difficulty he faced with personnel. Brossette does not compare to Guice, Fournette or Hill and CEH/Brossette is not on the level of any other recent RB combos.
2019 will be significantly different with LSU being near the top in returning production and with the addition of a more dynamic RB with Emery. It will be interesting to see if Brady makes a difference which I think he will, but I actually feel somewhat bad for SE bc I believe from a personnel standpoint the O would be much better in 2019 regardless, but if they do show a jump, Brady will likely get all the credit.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:27 am to mhc4tigers
Talent gap is at its widest when pairing our Tackles vs. their pass rushers. Number one reason we lost to them last year. Closing that gap alone would affect even Vegas odds. Talent gap is not insurmountable and can be closed in two recruiting cycles starting with this one. If a coach is not above processing and searching high and low for the best transfers and JUCOs to fill gaps in experience and to combat attrition the closing of the gap is within grasp.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 11:28 am
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:30 am to The First Cut
Oh my mistake, I got the classes mixed up. Honest mistake.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 11:31 am
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:32 am to ShawSawTheMoor
It is not just against the number one D. It is the fact he was embarrassingly bad and the old video clips of his FR year was stored in Les' brain forever. He simply did not trust Lee for stuff on and off the field (personal issues not legal and leave it at that)... and yes JJ had his issues too.
If it was me I would have given Lee some minutes post Bama but kept JJ as starter. On 1/9/12 he in desperation almost put Lee in until he was just about cussed out on the sideline. Too bad Mett was not ready to replace JJ. That would have been disastrous and even worse than when Lee was thrown to the wolves in 2008.
If it was me I would have given Lee some minutes post Bama but kept JJ as starter. On 1/9/12 he in desperation almost put Lee in until he was just about cussed out on the sideline. Too bad Mett was not ready to replace JJ. That would have been disastrous and even worse than when Lee was thrown to the wolves in 2008.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:40 am to BayouCowboy
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Our best years, one could argue are more a reflection of personnel. Last year we were dead last in the SEC (112th in CFB) in returning production offensively with new starting WRs, RBs, QB and 2/5 OL
4/5 new OL. Charles was the lone returning starter (Ingram would’ve had he been able to).
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