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re: Ritters Crew = automatic Alabama victory
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:33 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:33 am to GeauxTigerTM
I posted it once before and noted that someone else created it but I couldn't remember who. I'm glad you spoke up - it obviously took a lot of effort to put together. I liked it so much I saved a copy!
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:34 am to Buck Magnum
I understand the criticism of Ritter, but he didn't throw the flag for the personal foul. Could he have waved it off, sure.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:44 am to sjmabry
quote:my OP said Ritters crew.
I understand the criticism of Ritter, but he didn't throw the flag for the personal foul. Could he have waved it off, sure.
Don't matter one bit who threw it. They're all part of his crew.
And to all of the Alabama fans using penalties in OT. it should have never happened so your opinions are moot.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:47 am to Dale Murphy
Wrong! It's really Alabama and Auburn vs. LSU. The Alabama teams have the advantage. Take some time and go back to LSU-Auburn in '06.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:50 am to TigerFan55555
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When I saw Ritter officiating i was thinking the same thing, he should be banned from doing any Bama games... His bias is clear and that was one of the worst officated games ever, and he is in almost all of the bad ones...
Let's put a pin in that for a moment and ask another question.
Let's assume as a member of the SEC you have a legit issue with officiating during a game with Alabama. As a member of the conference, you take your concerns to the league office to be heard by the head of officiating.
That man is Steve Shaw.
Did I mention he is an alumnus of the University of Alabama?
Now I ask you...regardless of how honorable the man might be, does this not seem like a PRETTY big potential for a conflict of interest? Would BAMA fans be as magnanimous if the head of officiating for the conference was an LSU alumnus and the offices were located in New Orleans?
As college football fans, we are already well aware that universities acknowledge the potential for biases being a factor in officiating. Wait...you don't believe me? Why is it that for OOC games the visiting team brings officials from its conference rather than using officials from the home team's? Why do we have a third party officiating crew for bowl games rather than using a crew from one of the conferences of the teams involved?
Because programs fear a crew with more familiarity with the program will favor that team.
Since we already know this...why do we seem so eager to allow this on the conference level? Why are we, as non BAMA/AU fans (and I mean this for ALL other programs in the conference), so eager to bend over and take it for fear of being called whiners by the very people bending us over?
as for a fix, well...that's another thread entirely. But so long as we have conferences the way we have them set up, we will forever be at the potential mercy of one program or another who has undue influence over the league as a whole.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:52 am to TrueTigerTale
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LSU was going to score a TD, Miles was in a gambling mood, he would have went for it if they fell short on 3rd down
So your coach would have gone for it on 4th down in a tie game instead of taking a chip shot field goal to go ahead with less than a minute to go? Les is dumber than I thought.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:00 am to sjmabry
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I understand the criticism of Ritter, but he didn't throw the flag for the personal foul. Could he have waved it off, sure.
I sit on the north goal line in the EUD so that happened right in front of me, through a ways down. It was difficult to see what exactly happened other than pushing and shoving form all sides. It was the one pay I was actually interested in seeing when I went back and re-watched the recording of the game.
On TV, it was clear what had happened. Pocic got clocked at the end of the play by 90 who shoved him in the face mask, and then followed it up with the hardest shove of the fracas to Pocic's chest. Pocic responds with a shove and then the teams push for a bit. Alexander gets grabbed by the leg and pulled backwards and turns and shoves the BAMA player.
Now...other than the fact that the facial expression of the official throwing the flag on that play seems, well...sketchy...it's hard to argue that he threw it because it may very well have been the only real look he happened to see of anything. BUT...and here's the important part...they cam together as a crew to discuss the penalty FOR A WHILE. there is simply no way that when they came together one of the other officials should not have stepped in and said, "Yeah...I saw that too, but both teams were shoving the whole time. We either need to wave it or call it off setting."
the fact that AFTER discussing it not one of the other officials made that call is the troubling part for me. ne officla could have missed that there were a ton of guys shoving. there is NO WAY that all of them did and when the flag was thrown one of them should have stepped up and made that clear.
But hey...I'm sure Steve Shaw, BAMA alumnus and head of officiang, will be very helpful when LSU files a complain with the SEC about this call.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:05 am to meauxjeaux2
About two minutes before the personal foul, before the fumble, I said "they haven't called a personal foul on LSU yet" and the guy in front of me turned around and said "Oh it's coming"...
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:06 am to Aman
Let's throw out the complaint that Ritter is a bama homer. Just assume his crew called the game straight up. There is no question, however, that bad calls were made all game long, some against both teams, more big ones against LSU perhaps. Then, to me, this becomes a matter of one of the biggest games of the year is being called by an incompetent crew. A crew that gets all the big game assignments every yr. Does that mean that the rest of the league's refs are worse & we are getting the best the league has to offer? If so, this too falls on Shaw. I've seen every fan base here criticize Ritter, for yrs now. Yet he still gets the big game assignments. Now, as to that bias: what do you think his daughter had to say to him the next day???
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:16 am to Keltic Tiger
Same shite. Different year:
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Alabama had scored to take a 21-15 lead in the fourth quarter. On its next possession, quarterback Greg McElroy threw a pass to Julio Jones along the right sideline. Patrick Peterson stepped in front and intercepted it and then went out of bounds. Or so it appeared.
The referees waved their hands in the air, and then an eternity seemed to pass as a capacity crowd waited for a call. Finally, referee Tom Ritter spoke.
"The ruling on the field is ..." he said.
Yes? Yes? Yes?
"The prior play is under review."
But what was the call that was being reviewed?
In a minute, he announced the call.
"After further review, the ruling on the field stands," he said. "Incomplete pass."
So Peterson was ruled out of bounds when he caught the ball. Apparently.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:32 am to Lsupimp
you see all these people saying LSU should have done more to win the game. Caught more passes. Thrown better throws. Catch a few more and the game would have been won.
Here's the thing about that.
With all that said,we were still in the game. We had 1st and goal from the 5 yard line after that fumble recovery.
We were in that game with all the miscues and it was taken away with a fricking JUDGEMENT CALL
Here's the thing about that.
With all that said,we were still in the game. We had 1st and goal from the 5 yard line after that fumble recovery.
We were in that game with all the miscues and it was taken away with a fricking JUDGEMENT CALL
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:46 am to meauxjeaux2
It would be really, really unusual to NOT push a guy that is grabbing your legs with both hands and pulling you. We see this same kind of thing five times per game. Bama was desperate and understandably playing chippy to provoke something. The refs are paid TO UNDERSTAND THE GAME, not just arbitrarily or uniformly enforce rules. They are supposed to take into account the flow of the game and use their discretion. In every OTHER game we see off setting penalties. Against Bama we see what APPEARS to be INTERVENTION ON BEHALF of Alabama.
Look, I usually don't comment on "no-calls" because I think that's what refs SHOULD do. That's why when a receiver gets mugged, I usually say nothing. But when the refs appear to be WAITING for an opportunity to call a flag....
And look, we were literally talking about this in the stands BEFORE it happened, as an inevitability....and our fears were confirmed two minutes later.....and it changed the entire complexion of the game...again.....different year same shite....Bama title hopes alive....LSU left to lick our wounds....SEC office order restored....
Look, I usually don't comment on "no-calls" because I think that's what refs SHOULD do. That's why when a receiver gets mugged, I usually say nothing. But when the refs appear to be WAITING for an opportunity to call a flag....
And look, we were literally talking about this in the stands BEFORE it happened, as an inevitability....and our fears were confirmed two minutes later.....and it changed the entire complexion of the game...again.....different year same shite....Bama title hopes alive....LSU left to lick our wounds....SEC office order restored....
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:48 am to meauxjeaux2
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Once I saw him on the field I knew the timely calls and subsequent no calls would come eventually. Look at the stats and it looks fairly even with the penalties but the timely fashion in which they came and the timely fashion in which they did not come were to be expected. It all boiled down to one event the personal foul after the turnover. Everything before and after that one thing was the whole setup for an Alabama victory. You can poo poo this point all you want but anyone in their right mind knows this is the main thing that contributed to LSU ' S loss. Screw the incomplete passes. Screw the short yardage on runs. If that call had not happened you're looking at a LSU victory. No doubt
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:56 am to Aman
Let's flip the script for a second, image the uproar(tree killing, shots being fired) if the call had gone the other way. Let the game be decided by players, not some over-the-hill, balding white guy from the south who gets a thrill in his leg when he stands next to Saban. May not have cost us the game but it cost the SEC its credibility.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:58 am to laftoothdr
quote:i'm searching for a reason as to why this one penalty didn't cost us the game.
May not have cost us the game but it cost the SEC its credibility.
Can't find one.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:58 am to meauxjeaux2
does anyone know ritters (bug eyes ) phone number and hopeful his address
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