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re: Tim Corbin is proof as to why CPM is only average
Posted on 6/27/19 at 9:48 am to LSU GrandDad
Posted on 6/27/19 at 9:48 am to LSU GrandDad
quote:LSU returned more production than pretty much anyone in the country. It's the reason why they started the season number one
LSU had 2.
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Posted on 6/27/19 at 9:49 am to sta4ever
quote:sure you could. But would it make any sense?
you could argue Mainieri as being the second best coach in college baseball.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 9:52 am to Metaloctopus
quote:
. Corbin doesn't out-recruit LSU. But he can offer full scholarships to get players on campus, whereas LSU can only cross their fingers and hope for the best.
It's not hard to understand.
Guess what?
I don’t understand!
Can somebody explain the advantage Vandy has with scholarships?
Serious question.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:41 am to Rohan Gravy
quote:
Guess what?
I don’t understand!
Can somebody explain the advantage Vandy has with scholarships?
Serious question.
I had already explained it earlier, but I'll say it again. Vandy can give athletes a full ACADEMIC scholarship. Doesn't matter if they're good students or not, Vandy can abuse the heck out of the academic scholarship. And this is because they are a private school.
LSU, on the other hand, is a public school. So the athletic programs can only provide their players with athletic scholarships, and the NCAA has a limit of 11.7 scholarships per team. Vandy of course can use that on top of their academic scholarships.
Those 11.7 scholarships have to be divided among the players. Up to 27 players can be on scholarship, and the rules state that each player on scholarship must receive a minimum of 25% of scholarship.
So you have to offer a small portion of a scholarship to a bunch of guys and try to convince all of them that school is the right choice. Whereas Vandy can offer a full ride, which clearly makes college a much more viable option for their recruits.
Edit- to the ignorant person who downvoted this: You might try to do some research. I don't give a crap what you think of the state of our program. Facts are facts, concerning the topic of Tim Corbin and his advantages.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 10:46 am
Posted on 6/27/19 at 11:04 am to geauxjo
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Vandy. A huge recruiting advantage over LSU. In BASEBALL.
Think about what you just posted. For any reason, this isn’t good.
I already thought about it. I think it's stupid that Vandy gets an unfair advantage over public schools.
But this isn't LSU's fault, which it seems you are trying to suggest that it is. LSU EARNED everything they got. Skip built this program from a hole in the wall to the top program in the country. Vandy shot up when the NCAA arbitrarily (as always) decided to put a limit on athletic scholarships. Vandy's ability as a private school to give academic scholarships to it's players meant that they were virtually unaffected, while everyone else was penalized.
Think about that. That is just not right.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 11:06 am
Posted on 6/27/19 at 11:41 am to Metaloctopus
Just know that with Tops and other state assistance LSU can do more than a lot of other schools. Not as much as Vandy but a lot more than many other public universities!
Posted on 6/27/19 at 11:48 am to Dudebro2
Vandy is a top notch school, Nashville is an awesome town, and they are developing their own tradition. Easy to see why kids would want to go there.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 11:49 am
Posted on 6/27/19 at 11:50 am to Dudebro2
Tim Corbin is the best coach in the country. No argument can be made otherwise.
College baseball with it's current scholarship limits, not only means a smaller school like Vandy can be successful, but with the way private schools operate, they can actually be at an advantage.
Corbin has been there 17 seasons. He's built a powerhouse for today's game.
I know this is hard for many of you ranters to understand, but only one team can have the best coach in the country in a particular sport.
College baseball with it's current scholarship limits, not only means a smaller school like Vandy can be successful, but with the way private schools operate, they can actually be at an advantage.
Corbin has been there 17 seasons. He's built a powerhouse for today's game.
I know this is hard for many of you ranters to understand, but only one team can have the best coach in the country in a particular sport.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 11:53 am to ScaryClown
Have you seen the first round pitchers turn down money to go to VANDY? That’s the biggest recruiting ranking!
Posted on 6/27/19 at 11:54 am to ArcticTiger
quote:
Just know that with Tops and other state assistance LSU can do more than a lot of other schools. Not as much as Vandy but a lot more than many other public universities!
Most (not all) baseball players are fairly smart kids.
So, if the baseball program is similar, which would you choose, if you are a fairly smart kid?
1) Chance for a full ride to a major, well-respected private university, with a chance to get a valuable globally-recognized degree from a college ranked 14 in the country
2) Chance for a full ride to LSU, assuming the state doesn't mess with TOPS, with a chance to get a degree from a school ranked 140 in the country.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 11:55 am to Dudebro2
quote:
no where near the resources
Stopped right there....you should probably educate yourself on Vandy's scholarship situation being a private school
Posted on 6/27/19 at 1:01 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:
. Vandy can give athletes a full ACADEMIC scholarship. Doesn't matter if they're good students or not, Vandy can abuse the heck out of the academic scholarship. And this is because they are a private school.
Thank you.
Excellent explanation.
The private school thing is what I didn’t know about.
That is a huge advantage and those Vandy scholarships are worth a few dollars.
Is Tulane in the same position as Vandy?
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:30 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:Draft results include the coaching and improvement made in college
Do you want to go over the draft results over the last decade plus, or are we just going to argue about recruiting magazine rankings?
It makes more sense to go by the incoming recruiting rankings actually
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:31 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:Completely false. They had the lowest team GPA every year I was at lsu across all sports. They(on average)are the most brain-dead bros across lsu athletics
Most (not all) baseball players are fairly smart kids.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 6/27/19 at 3:15 pm to Rohan Gravy
quote:
Is Tulane in the same position as Vandy?
Opportunity Vanderbilt is somewhat unique and has only been around the past 10 years or so. They basically reduce tuition costs on an as-needed, sliding scale basis (most people qualify) to reduce their tuition costs to essentially standard instate public university rates (or in many cases full price of admission). So if one school is selling a Vandy-level education for a few grand a year (or nothing), and another is asking an out-of-state player to take on 20k+/year in out of state tuition costs for a run-of-the-mill state school education, which school would you choose? pretty sure I heard this week not a single pitcher in Vandy's rotation was on an athletic scholarship. Not sure if that's true or not, but even the thought of that being possible kind of emblematic of the advantage they have over others.
Other private schools can certainly offer financial aid but it's not necessarily the same as what Vandy offers either.
Few tidbits from the opportunity Vanderbilt website
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Since Opportunity Vanderbilt began, the average financial aid package has grown 40 percent to $51,787, helping defray costs for undergraduates. Overall, Vanderbilt has provided $1.2 billion in financial aid during the life of the program.
Vandy's tuition only costs are about $46k, so Opportunity Vandy is giving out more than tuition costs on average right now through Opportunity Vanderbilt
quote:
One of Opportunity Vanderbilt’s key goals is to replace student loans with grants and scholarships. In the decade since the program began, the number of students taking out need-based loans has plummeted nearly 70 percent.
quote:
Vanderbilt is committed to helping families at all income levels, including the middle class. Today the average annual family income of students receiving Opportunity Vanderbilt scholarships is nearly $110,000.
See how easy it is to qualify financially. $110k/year isn't exactly poor, and that's the average, not the high end
LINK
On the academic side, it really is a great thing. It allows very capable students to attend a school that they may not have otherwise been able to due to finances. But on the baseball side, it's just an unfortunate by-product for those competing against them.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 6/27/19 at 3:17 pm to Dudebro2
Your lack of understanding is remarkable. Well done on the opinion
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:09 pm to Metaloctopus
Vandy should not have an unfair advantage because of the way scholarships are awarded. This is bullshite.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:28 pm to LSUJML
quote:
He’s standing on the same fricking step he’s always stood on looking the same way he’s always looked
He looks tired like he is at the end of his career, most coaches his age get to that look! CPM has made enough money at this point that putting up with all the expectations of the job along with all the bullshite that goes along with it, can get very tiring and that is exactly how CPM has looked for the past two years no matter what the frick you say
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:31 pm to Metaloctopus
You have to find kids who qualify for the academic money. And really even when they do,give them academic money they give them enough to make the cos competitive
Vandy has a state of the art MLB level pitching technology and pitcher development situation.
LSU needs to go to see whatnthenAstros are doing with pitchers. The Astros have the mlb best pitching development technology.
Vandy has a state of the art MLB level pitching technology and pitcher development situation.
LSU needs to go to see whatnthenAstros are doing with pitchers. The Astros have the mlb best pitching development technology.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:55 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:
Metaloctopus
I hate arguing with the ignorant, it is a no win situation usually because they think they know it all when they actually know less than the average person!
Ok I could give you probably a hundred examples to prove you are wrong but it only takes one! So by your logic, and this can’t be argued if you believe in your theory, Stanford University is arguably the top academic college in the country that has a baseball team that is not an Ivy League school! Why aren’t they winning every year? They have that same advantage that Vandy has, and most would say their advantage is much stronger than Vandy’s because of their prominence in the academic and athletic world! And Stanford just changed coaches 2 years ago because of lack of performance! Explain that one genius??? And then you could use USC and go down the list from there! That right there proves your theory is full of shite!
Now is it an advantage? Yes because if their grades are good enough they supplement the recruits offer with academic scholarships, or any other schollies or grants that will fit, to help them get to a full ride!
But stupid all colleges including LSU has those type of options and they all use them! All baseball programs try and supplement their athletic scholarships with other scholarships and grants available at the school and the advantage that athletes have is the little dirty secret of all schools, they push athletes applications for those grants and scholarships to the top of the list, most universities fill out the forms for the recruits or help them fill it out!
I can promise you there isn’t one recruit not coming to LSU because of money, if CPM wants someone they will find the funds from other schollies and grants to get that recruit what he needs! The advantage that LSU has is that they don’t have to find as much money as Vandy does because of the costs of the two schools!
You are actually trying to tell someone who actually advises to the industry how the industry works! You’re brilliant
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 5:07 pm
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