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re: Why can't Ohio State beat an SEC Team???
Posted on 7/11/08 at 7:25 pm to tigerfan75
Posted on 7/11/08 at 7:25 pm to tigerfan75
Just read this thread and you, my friend, are an idiot...
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Posted on 7/11/08 at 7:31 pm to KosmoCramer
Most SEC teams are just so deep. Look at LSU for example. What team can have a starting DL miss the whole year, have their best defensive player play hurt 3/5 of the year, have their starting QB miss the conference championship game, have their #1 WR miss a few games and play hurt in a few, lose their starting SS in the National Championship, and still be in contention for a NC? All this after losing a QB that was drafted #1 overall and losing 2 WRs that were absolute freaks.
Posted on 7/11/08 at 7:33 pm to GeauxWarrior12
Ohio State is the only team in the Big Ten with as much depth as LSU, Florida, etc.
Posted on 7/11/08 at 8:37 pm to KosmoCramer
Well in my opinion. I don't think it was speed that beat Ohio in the NCG. I think it was power. If you notice we just punch it against them. There was no need for fancy passing like Florida did. Just pass, catch, or run. Basic football with alot of power behind it on both side of the ball.
The NCG , I did not see Ty jackson running around the the OLine as much as he went through it. The small brust of speed on LSU side I saw was Harry Coleman quick reaction. Gholston (sp?) got in Matt flynn face alot of time and he even manage to chase down Keiland Williams.
It wasn't speed that won us that game it was power.
Just like how Ohio over power Mich. And In the Mich vs Florida game, Mich Overpower Florida. Heck in that game Harvin was saying how tired he was with a good 2 minutes left on the clock. Jake long is a beast.
The NCG , I did not see Ty jackson running around the the OLine as much as he went through it. The small brust of speed on LSU side I saw was Harry Coleman quick reaction. Gholston (sp?) got in Matt flynn face alot of time and he even manage to chase down Keiland Williams.
It wasn't speed that won us that game it was power.
Just like how Ohio over power Mich. And In the Mich vs Florida game, Mich Overpower Florida. Heck in that game Harvin was saying how tired he was with a good 2 minutes left on the clock. Jake long is a beast.
Posted on 7/11/08 at 8:46 pm to tigerfan75
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Horrible coaching staff!
Overrated Players!
Underestimating the opponent!
Wearing too much red!LOL!
Posted on 7/11/08 at 9:49 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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I respectfully disagree
Of course you disagree. you have no experience of what it is like to have to endure numerous consecutive games against tough opponents. Try replacing the 1+1 tough opponent schedule (michigan + one other rotating team per year from the Big10) spread out over a season -vice- a grouping of 4 or so games against programs like LSU, Georgia, Florida, Tenn, Auburn and the like with 2 or so other teams rotating into the solid-team mix... that is a 1+1 from the Bog 10 versus a 4 + 2 from the SEC. That is so entirely different it is hard to comprehend. You may not admit this, but that is the reality.
Posted on 7/11/08 at 9:54 pm to Al Bundy
I'd think we'd be able to finish second or better in the SEC more than 2 out of 7 years.
Posted on 7/11/08 at 9:58 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
I haven't read the whole thread but I don't think OSU plays the violent brand of football we do. Or at least not as good as we do.
Posted on 7/11/08 at 10:32 pm to KosmoCramer
I been away a while. I know I'm gonna get beat down good for this by the germans, but WTF is Cosmo doing posting as a Duck fan?
Posted on 7/11/08 at 10:52 pm to San Diego Buckeye
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I know I'm gonna get beat down good for this by the germans, but WTF is Cosmo doing posting as a Duck fan?
No, you're not. He just changed it a few days ago. Nobody knows why.
Posted on 7/12/08 at 10:01 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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I'd think we'd be able to finish second or better in the SEC more than 2 out of 7 years.
2 of 7 = 28.5%
There have been 15 SEC championship games since expansion in 1992. Here are the number of appearances by each team (equating to a first or second place finish):
Florida - 8 (53%)
Bama; UT - 5 (33%)
LSU - 4 (27%)
Arky, UGA, Auburn - 3 (20%)
Mississippi State -1 (7%)
Other than Florida during the Spurrier years (and unlike the Big-10), no one team has dominated the SEC. Saying OSU would finish second or better 2 out of 7 years puts the Buckeyes right up their with the elite of the SEC.
In my view, that's a pretty fair statement and pretty complimentary to Ohio State -- particularly in light of the 0-8 bowl record against the SEC. In fact, if you consider the bowl record (figuring that is against the better teams in the SEC), one could easily argue that Ohio State would rarely be able to finish 1st in either SEC division.
Posted on 7/12/08 at 12:17 pm to SpringBokCock
I honestly don't know why OSU can't beat an SEC team. Against Florida, yes I think speed had to do with it. We couldn't get past their secondary, even though Ginn was out, and their d-line was kicking our arse, especially off the corners. Against LSU, I don't think speed had shite to do with it. If speed was such a factor then why did our 237 lb running back outrun an all american safety for a td, or why did Robiskie beat the db on the fade route in the endzone (I'm still bitter about that dropped pass). I'll admit speed hurt OSU against Florida, but I don't think it hurt OSU against LSU. LSU was just flat out better than us and it showed.
Posted on 7/12/08 at 1:23 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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I'd think we'd be able to finish second or better in the SEC more than 2 out of 7 years.
You are right there with Tenn, Alabama, Auburn, & Georgia in thinkin as much, and they can't get it done. You are claiming that an Ohio State program, playing a significantly more difficult schedule than they do currently, would be a better program over a 7 year period than these 4 nationally competitive SEC programs.
Only LSU and Florida can really lay claim to finishing 2nd or better more than twice in a 7 year period.
That is 6 programs that Ohio State would have to push to the side to rise up to the level you propose they could in the SEC. You are wrong and very preferential in your assessment, showing your scralet and grey colors very prominantly. go with it if you want, but you are wrong in beleiving so. Reference the last 2 SEC shallackings as supporting evidence to my assessment vice yours.
This post was edited on 7/12/08 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 7/12/08 at 1:26 pm to Al Bundy
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Only LSU and Florida can really lay claim to finishing 2nd or better more than twice in a 7 year period.
Ohio State > or = LSU and Florida, the past (insert number greater than 10) years on average
This isn't a slam on LSU of Florida, but Ohio State has been a national power for a very long time and could certainly sustain(and has shown that they can sustain) a very high level for long periods of time. To say that Ohio State is not at the level of Florida and LSU is closed minded IMHO.
ETA: Greater than or equal to
This post was edited on 7/12/08 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 7/12/08 at 1:28 pm to Al Bundy
OSU would've WON the SEC in 2002 and 2005. That's two times in the past six years we would've WON the conference (not even just finished second). This year, could show if we would win it again. Even if you don't count this upcoming year (because we don't know what's going to happen), you don't think there's any chance we would've finished second in either 03, 06, or 07?
Posted on 7/12/08 at 1:32 pm to KillerNut9
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If speed was such a factor then why did our 237 lb running back outrun an all american safety for a td
becuase our LB's were out of position, combined with Steltz, a not so fast white boy safety, overpursued also, leaving nothing but open field in front of him and a head start and momentum that allowed him to make a great run. A single play does not provide much perspective.
Your team had less acceleration/burst across the entirety of the team on the field, and that was certainly in play during the game. This burst/quickness/acceleration allowed us us to lock down your recievers and the acceleration of our defensive unit was evident big time throughout the game. You are wrong and use a single incident, in which we were caught out of position, as your evidence. You are wrong in your conclusion in a big way. Have a nice day.
Posted on 7/12/08 at 1:36 pm to tigerfan75
Getting beaten by the best SEC team (NC Contender) is not the same as saying they can't beat "an SEC Team". They'd stomp the shite out of quite a few SEC Teams. Just not UF or LSU of late. They have been in contention almost every year as long as I can remember. Most NCAA programs would love to have their track record over all.
Posted on 7/12/08 at 3:32 pm to Al Bundy
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You are wrong and use a single incident
I also mentioned Robiskie's dropped pass in the endzone where he beat the DB then the DB made up for getting beat by somehow knocking it out of Robiskie's hands. I'm just saying this speed advantage isn't so evident like a majority of SEC fans make it out to be why OSU can't beat SEC teams. I noticed it in the Florida game, but not in the LSU game.
Posted on 7/12/08 at 3:35 pm to tigerfan75
This topic should come with its own pride sticker.
Posted on 7/12/08 at 3:46 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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OSU would've won the SEC in 05, IMO.
:kige:
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