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re: Would you support a fan supported NIL cooperative, if it helped LSU land more talent?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:18 pm to SwampyWaters
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:18 pm to SwampyWaters
I just wish Bayou Traditions offered better member benefits. If they made it seem more like an exclusive club I think it would do better.
(I.e. member only events, access, executive briefings, exclusive content, etc.)
Right now it seems like it’s only perks are raffles and vouchers to certain stores.
I think it’d be more beneficial to feel like you are part of something.
(I.e. member only events, access, executive briefings, exclusive content, etc.)
Right now it seems like it’s only perks are raffles and vouchers to certain stores.
I think it’d be more beneficial to feel like you are part of something.
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:34 pm to Geauxgurt
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NIL is the worst thing to happen in college sports and should likely just end it and create real minor leagues for pro sports to pay for on their own.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think NIL is a horrible idea because fans are coming to see the players, period! The problem with NIL is there were no guidelines put in place in the beginning and there are still no checks and balances in place today. As a result, the already dirty world of college football recruiting is now like a runaway freight train and good luck stopping it.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:35 pm to goatmilker
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I gave em twenty bucks for a cold hot dog and stale popcorn. I'm done for the year.
You couldn't chip in another $14 for a lukewarm flat BudLight? Not a true fan of LSU...
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:16 pm to SwampyWaters
I’d support it.
But I wouldn’t give any money.
But I wouldn’t give any money.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:30 pm to drewbilous
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You do realize……Even with NIL…..LSU still can’t directly pay players, right?
You are correct but missing the point.
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If the NCAA wants them to make money they should just let the schools pay them. Im not donating shite to some 18 year old who will transfer the following year if he isn’t on the cover of Sports Illustrated, while the school makes 100s of millions. It’s a dumb system getting abused already
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:42 pm to SwampyWaters
I find it ironic that the collective is called “Bayou Traditions,” when practically none of these kids could tell you a damn thing about LSU football beyond the 2019 team.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:59 pm to KRS
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So NO!
Schools cannot pay players directly yet dumbass. Nothing you just laid out has any bearing on what LSU can offer in NIL.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:07 pm to dmatt2021
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If the NCAA wants them to make money they should just let the schools pay them. Im not donating shite to some 18 year old who will transfer the following year if he isn’t on the cover of Sports Illustrated, while the school makes 100s of millions. It’s a dumb system getting abused already so just cut the red tape and let the schools dish their money out, they have plenty.
The NCAA put out a Hail Mary proposal to create a separate division that would allow this. However, it still has a fatal flaw- Title 9 forced revenue sharing with women’s sports. The NCAA Presidents and SEC and Big 10 brass will never go for that.
Secession is coming. Josh Pate mentioned that power players are already lining up behind the nuclear option, so it’s going to happen at some point.
But between now and then, you either play the NIL game or you fall behind. Many other fanbases are being a lot less bitchy about it than most of you.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:10 pm to misey94
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Many other fanbases are being a lot less bitchy about it than most of you.
What a dumb statement.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:16 pm to SwampyWaters
How about every one here contribute 10K..
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:29 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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What a dumb statement.
If you want to bitch about Ws and Ls today and aren’t willing to pitch in a few bucks, then you are a hypocrite.
What any of you thinks about NIL doesn’t mean shite. It’s reality and the only way to be competitive on a championship level today.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:34 pm to SwampyWaters
No. I’m barely willing to pay for tickets.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:35 pm to SwampyWaters
im in
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:45 pm to Tiger in Texas
So when a player works his arse off his whole life and risks injury or worst during practice or games,you think thats all for free?education doesnt always pan out.how about give these folks what they have earned you ignorant frick
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:56 pm to misey94
The problem is…
1. No regulation, no obligation from player standpoint
2. No clear value proposition:
-Tickets to a game: transaction
-Concessions: transaction
-Tuition: transaction
-NIL contribution: donation
I personally could not give a flying frick if the university is allowed to pay the players directly — the university is allowed to charge me directly to attend games / merch & indirectly through TV deals.
You’re telling me that my patronage is completely worthless & I have to make supplementary donations through a distinct avenue if I expect a good product?
Sounds like an institutional / organizational problem for member schools & the league to solve. Harbaugh is right about revenue sharing — the money needs to come out of the pockets of the Brian Kelly’s and Blake Bakers of the world… not squeezing regular people for donations.
Until then, it’s fricking stupid & I’m not having any part of it. Waste your money however you like, but step off the high horse.
1. No regulation, no obligation from player standpoint
2. No clear value proposition:
-Tickets to a game: transaction
-Concessions: transaction
-Tuition: transaction
-NIL contribution: donation
I personally could not give a flying frick if the university is allowed to pay the players directly — the university is allowed to charge me directly to attend games / merch & indirectly through TV deals.
You’re telling me that my patronage is completely worthless & I have to make supplementary donations through a distinct avenue if I expect a good product?
Sounds like an institutional / organizational problem for member schools & the league to solve. Harbaugh is right about revenue sharing — the money needs to come out of the pockets of the Brian Kelly’s and Blake Bakers of the world… not squeezing regular people for donations.
Until then, it’s fricking stupid & I’m not having any part of it. Waste your money however you like, but step off the high horse.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:58 pm to SwampyWaters
This is exactly what Ole Miss is doing.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:08 pm to SwampyWaters
The saints don’t ask fans for donations to pay for their players why the hell should LSU if they want to pay players like professionals?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:12 pm to dmatt2021
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If the NCAA wants them to make money t
The ncaa got sued into doing this, and everyone should see now why NIL was prohibited, none of this has to do with any N, I or L, it’s about their playing ability, and it’s already compensated.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 1:18 pm to BayouBaw84
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The saints don’t ask fans for donations to pay for their players why the hell should LSU if they want to pay players like professionals?
In a perfect world, I agree, but the reality is this is the world of college football today. I don't mind having the option to contribute or not, but I'm against requiring all fans pick up the tab.
I think, in the end, we all know that the fans are going to be pick up the tab if such a cooperative is needed, which is why I brought up the idea, so it wouldn't reach that point. Some have stated that there is already a collective out there for fans to contribute, and if that's the case, they need to do a much better job getting the word out because most fans don't know anything about it.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 1:46 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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I personally could not give a flying frick if the university is allowed to play the players directly — the university is allowed to charge me directly to attend games / merch & indirectly through TV deals. You’re telling me that my patronage is completely worthless & I have to make supplementary donations through a distinct avenue if I expect a good product?
I don’t necessarily disagree with your arguments. Also, even though I don’t like the fact that’s what’s coming will destroy a lot of college football programs and permanently change things, I am looking forward to the return of some stability. If what I and many others think is coming happens, NIL collectives will go away completely. Players will be paid directly by the schools, so a separate donation won’t be required from fans and ticket holders to fund payments to players. And players will be locked into contracts, which means a real, organized free agency process if players move.
All that said, some drastic changes are necessary before we get from A to B. Revenue sharing isn’t hard, but you can forget it happening as long as Title 9 is involved. Getting around that requires restructuring the entire sport.
My point is that, UNTIL THEN, it doesn’t matter what anyone’s feelings about NIL are. It’s a necessary evil. I don’t like what it has become either, but there’s no escaping it. And if you really do care about recruiting and want to complain when it isn’t elite, you should be kicking in a few spare bucks. If everyone did, we would be in a lot better shape. The rank and file of several other fanbases are doing far more than we are. That’s just the honest truth.
That said- LSU also needs to do a lot better from their end. Bayou Traditions needs to be run better and offer real incentives that make contributing feel like it comes with SOME kind of value back besides knowing you are helping recruiting efforts. That isn’t the case today.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 1:49 pm
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