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re: Can you live off 38000 a year?
Posted on 5/31/13 at 8:52 am to WhoDats10
Posted on 5/31/13 at 8:52 am to WhoDats10
Could I? Yes. I don't WANT to so I am not a teacher.
I would love to only work 7.5 months a year and teach (in fact I loved my time as an associate professor) but I decided I wanted to have more income and did something else.
I did not realize that teachers were held hostage by their CHOSEN professions. Nor did I realize they were lured in with promises of high pay and glamour.
I would love to only work 7.5 months a year and teach (in fact I loved my time as an associate professor) but I decided I wanted to have more income and did something else.
I did not realize that teachers were held hostage by their CHOSEN professions. Nor did I realize they were lured in with promises of high pay and glamour.
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Posted on 5/31/13 at 9:53 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
Worth noting...
The first couple of years are much worse for teachers as they generally develop lesson plans from scratch. Once these are prepped though, being a teacher is an absolute piece of cake job.
I see so many friends doing Teach for America and the part that screws them is the lack of lesson plans and dealing with the toughest kids in America to instruct. I've never heard them complain about the actual teaching; rather, the lesson planning after hours is what gets them in a pinch.
I'll teach one day -- love the classroom. Hopefully can do it as an adjunct professor at a local college in the next 10-15 years. I already speak to classes each semester and I find a lot of joy in it.
The first couple of years are much worse for teachers as they generally develop lesson plans from scratch. Once these are prepped though, being a teacher is an absolute piece of cake job.
I see so many friends doing Teach for America and the part that screws them is the lack of lesson plans and dealing with the toughest kids in America to instruct. I've never heard them complain about the actual teaching; rather, the lesson planning after hours is what gets them in a pinch.
I'll teach one day -- love the classroom. Hopefully can do it as an adjunct professor at a local college in the next 10-15 years. I already speak to classes each semester and I find a lot of joy in it.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 10:29 am to LSURussian
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That's what they make in 9 months, not a year.
this... kids go to school 180 days, teachers a "few" days more... but even giving them a full 9 months, they would earn $50,667 for working a full year....
Posted on 5/31/13 at 12:03 pm to WhoDats10
I've been dating a teacher for about 1.5 years, so I've learned a lot since then. I've learned that private schools pay shite for teachers, Louisiana pays shite in comparison to other places, and a lot of teachers work A LOT of hours. She's a great teacher and would work 60 hours a week most weeks. They had to develop lesson plans every week, and that's every year. They are not allowed to reuse them.
Anyway, she got offered a job (in nyc) for 75k, teaching. Principals can make 150k. This is with charter schools though and with more pay comes more work. Many teachers don't work that many years because they get burned out. 3-4 years is considered being a "veteran" here. They also have to teach in a lot of bad neighborhoods, so pay is more because of that too.
But should teachers get paid more? Well, in a lot of places they get paid fine. 38k is fine starting out, but for a lifetime, no way. Unions are a problem, but in ny, unions aren't as big. My girlfriend isn't in one and no one at her schools were either. Anyway, I don't really want to get into a big heated discussion, just wanted to insert some facts from a different perspective.
Anyway, she got offered a job (in nyc) for 75k, teaching. Principals can make 150k. This is with charter schools though and with more pay comes more work. Many teachers don't work that many years because they get burned out. 3-4 years is considered being a "veteran" here. They also have to teach in a lot of bad neighborhoods, so pay is more because of that too.
But should teachers get paid more? Well, in a lot of places they get paid fine. 38k is fine starting out, but for a lifetime, no way. Unions are a problem, but in ny, unions aren't as big. My girlfriend isn't in one and no one at her schools were either. Anyway, I don't really want to get into a big heated discussion, just wanted to insert some facts from a different perspective.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 12:12 pm to iggle
quote:That is incredibly stupid. Why change a plan if it is effective.
They had to develop lesson plans every week, and that's every year. They are not allowed to reuse them.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 12:16 pm to saderade
No it's not. It's because the students they have year to year change and come in with different abilities. There is no one size fits all lesson plan. You have to do it custom for each new class every year. It's more work but it's more effective.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:17 pm to iggle
I wonder why it is that, unique of all professions, everyone has an opinion on how much teachers should be paid. You never hear anyone frothing at the mouth on whether UPS drivers or actuaries are overpaid or underpaid, but bring up teachers' salaries and all of a sudden every mf'er is an expert.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:28 pm to iggle
quote:If you are teaching 5th grade science for example, chances are each year will have a mixture of smart, average, and below average kids. I don't see how that changes each year. If you are going from a normal to a gifted class then there is a difference.
No it's not. It's because the students they have year to year change and come in with different abilities.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 9:33 pm to saderade
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If you are teaching 5th grade science for example, chances are each year will have a mixture of smart, average, and below average kids. I don't see how that changes each year. If you are going from a normal to a gifted class then there is a difference.
Right. The statement you are responding to is just extremely ridiculous and made up out of thin air.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 11:15 pm to Cold Cous Cous
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UPS drivers
Talk about a sweet gig
Posted on 6/1/13 at 12:31 am to WhoDats10
quote:
Can you live off 38000 a year?
I wish I was making that much.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 1:24 am to Powerman
To all: Our problem is we are the only country in the world who teaching EVERYONE.
We avoid talking about the elephant standing in the room.
It's not politically correct thing to say. People will also say that's why America is "above" others.
We avoid talking about the elephant standing in the room.
It's not politically correct thing to say. People will also say that's why America is "above" others.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 4:17 am to WhoDats10
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Can you live off 38000 a year?
I'd say it's pretty easy. My law school loans are $600/mo and I make 40k/yr. I'd suspect anyone who says they're incapable of living off that salary has a baby factory or drug problem.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 5:32 am to Cold Cous Cous
quote:
wonder why it is that, unique of all professions, everyone has an opinion on how much teachers should be paid.
All the bankers raise their hands.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 6:44 am to TheHiddenFlask
My wife is a teacher. I would have thought the same way most people do, that it's a cake job, spin the same lessons each year, lots of time off,etc.
For a teacher who actually cares about her students and their learning, they work harder on average than any other profession I know.
During the school year she puts in 60 hours a week. She grades papers and prepares lesson plans each night after dinner till 10pm, then does the same Sunday for 6+ hours after church.
All of the paperwork and the worthless parents who refuse to parent their kids, make being a good teacher a very difficult job. Honestly, they should be paid a lot more for what they have to do, and put up with.
For a teacher who actually cares about her students and their learning, they work harder on average than any other profession I know.
During the school year she puts in 60 hours a week. She grades papers and prepares lesson plans each night after dinner till 10pm, then does the same Sunday for 6+ hours after church.
All of the paperwork and the worthless parents who refuse to parent their kids, make being a good teacher a very difficult job. Honestly, they should be paid a lot more for what they have to do, and put up with.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 7:18 am to iggle
quote:
No it's not. It's because the students they have year to year change and come in with different abilities. There is no one size fits all lesson plan. You have to do it custom for each new class every year. It's more work but it's more effective.
So essentially you're girlfriend will dumb down the curriculum if need be and punish smart kids for the dumb ones? If so you're girlfriend is a huge part of the problem IMO.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 7:42 am to lsuconnman
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My law school loans are $600/mo and I make 40k/y
Sigh
Posted on 6/1/13 at 10:12 am to WhoDats10
I am getting paid almost half of that for my graduate research assistantship. I'm not able to save too much per month, but I live pretty comfortably.
Granted, its in Starkville where the cost of living isn't too high and got a good deal on a one bedroom apartment.
Granted, its in Starkville where the cost of living isn't too high and got a good deal on a one bedroom apartment.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 11:37 am to kywildcatfanone
quote:+1
My wife is a teacher. I would have thought the same way most people do, that it's a cake job, spin the same lessons each year, lots of time off,etc.
For a teacher who actually cares about her students and their learning, they work harder on average than any other profession I know.
During the school year she puts in 60 hours a week. She grades papers and prepares lesson plans each night after dinner till 10pm, then does the same Sunday for 6+ hours after church.
All of the paperwork and the worthless parents who refuse to parent their kids, make being a good teacher a very difficult job. Honestly, they should be paid a lot more for what they have to do, and put up with.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 12:08 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
+1
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