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re: Barry Sanders is the GOAT RB
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:49 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:49 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Is Barry still a popular name in tBlack community? Feel like you don’t have too many black Barry’s around these days
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:09 pm to S
Don’t forget Barry Foster.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:49 pm to lsu5803tiger
Barry Sanders is my favorite athlete ever.
That being said, I think he's the most elusive football player of all time, but not the best running back of all time.
He was average or below average in two areas that are a must for RBs; Blocking and being dependable in short yardage situations.
That being said, I think he's the most elusive football player of all time, but not the best running back of all time.
He was average or below average in two areas that are a must for RBs; Blocking and being dependable in short yardage situations.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:33 pm to stuntman
Barry Sanders played 10 seasons and only played in 6 playoff games.
91 carries, 386 yards, 1 TD
21 receptions, 111 yards, 0 TD
That is supposedly the greatest RB ever. Who never showed out in an important game or won anything?
Rickey Watters also played 10 seasons. Can't get into the HOF. But yet he played in 11 playoff games.
175 carries, 666 yards, 8 TD
41 receptions, 451 yards, 4 TD
91 carries, 386 yards, 1 TD
21 receptions, 111 yards, 0 TD
That is supposedly the greatest RB ever. Who never showed out in an important game or won anything?
Rickey Watters also played 10 seasons. Can't get into the HOF. But yet he played in 11 playoff games.
175 carries, 666 yards, 8 TD
41 receptions, 451 yards, 4 TD
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:41 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I think Jim Brown is the GOAT running back. I have Barry Sanders at #2, with Gayle Sayers, Walter Payton and Earl Campbell rounding out my top 5
Murdering scumbag OJ Simpson is #6 on my list, with Emmitt Smith at #7, Eric Dickerson at #8, Marshall Faulk at #9, and LaDainian Tomlinson at #10
Murdering scumbag OJ Simpson is #6 on my list, with Emmitt Smith at #7, Eric Dickerson at #8, Marshall Faulk at #9, and LaDainian Tomlinson at #10
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:45 pm to brmark70816
Ricky Watters has 50 more career rushing yards than Thomas Jones
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:54 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Barry Sanders is the GOAT RB
yes he was, there is no doubt about it
just sucks he was stuck playing for such a god awful team his whole career. can you imaging if he were on a perennial playoff team instead of being wasted in detriot
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:03 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Barry would have obliterated records so that they were untouchable if he hadn’t retired early. Imagine what he’d have done playing on better teams with a good QB. He’s the GOAT, no doubt
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:21 pm to brmark70816
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That is supposedly the greatest RB ever. Who never showed out in an important game or won anything?
I’ve always though judging QBs on team accomplishments was stupid but they have more control over games to dog on a RB for not winning more is next level stupid.
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Rickey Watters also played 10 seasons. Can't get into the HOF. But yet he played in 11 playoff games.
Wonder if if playing with the 49ers and Steve Young had anything to do with that? In his playoff appearances in Philly and Seattle he had 88-57-40 yards in 4 total games. Also note George Seifert Mike Holgren and Andy Ried vs Wayne Fontes
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:31 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I don't think Barry is the greatest ever. But I do think there is an argument to be made that he was the most aesthetically pleasing player to watch. His highlights are very enjoyable.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:48 pm to L.A.
People hate on OJ for obvious reasons but I remember watching him play and he was dangerous anytime he had the ball anywhere on the field and I really enjoyed watching him play. The whole psychopathic murderer thing kinda ruins that though.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:50 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I’ve always though judging QBs on team accomplishments was stupid but they have more control over games to dog on a RB for not winning more is next level stupid.
If being the "GOAT RB" doesn't contribute to winning at all, then what is the point of being that guy? Why does it matter?
I watched Terrell Davis carry two teams to the SB in monster seasons. It was undeniable. All I see are excuses for Sanders.
So, tell me this, what is Sanders signature moment? Game?
How can the "greatest ever" not have a significant play in December or in the playoffs?
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Wonder if if playing with the 49ers and Steve Young had anything to do with that? In his playoff appearances in Philly and Seattle he had 88-57-40 yards in 4 total games. Also note George Seifert Mike Holgren and Andy Ried vs Wayne Fontes
I just pulled a random guy, who nobody considers great, to show how pedestrian and unimpressive Sanders postseason accomplishments were. I could have pointed to a number of other guys, as Sanders isn't even top 50 in postseason yards or TDs.
Are you saying the postseason doesn't matter at all? I can literally name almost 100 other rbs with better postseason numbers. Doesn't matter at all?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:14 pm to brmark70816
Comparing Elways Broncos to Detroit invalidates anything you say. Shanahan plugged in two mediocre backs after TD left and had big seasons with them. Yes he was great but comparing him to Barry is silly.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:16 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Every highlight is on field turf
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:20 pm to brmark70816
“Are you saying the postseason doesn't matter at all? I can literally name almost 100 other rbs with better postseason numbers. Doesn't matter at all?”
You must have missed last season when Mathew Stafford went from “terrible playoff record” to Super Bowl champ after leaving the Lions to play for a real team. Your logic is beyond flawed.
You must have missed last season when Mathew Stafford went from “terrible playoff record” to Super Bowl champ after leaving the Lions to play for a real team. Your logic is beyond flawed.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:25 pm to brmark70816
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If being the "GOAT RB" doesn't contribute to winning at all, then what is the point of being that guy? Why does it matter?
FTR I don’t think Sanders is the greatest RB ever but not because his teams didn’t win. It’s a team game and RB like QB aren’t even on the field half the time. Judge players for what they do overall not a select few games because those games have been marketed to you as “bigger”.
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I watched Terrell Davis carry two teams to the SB in monster seasons. It was undeniable.
No you didn’t. You saw Davis as a final piece with a Hall of Fame QB HOF coach and great defense. Notice a slew of no name RB did the same as Davis in that offense but the winning stopped when Elway retired.
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All I see are excuses for Sanders.
This is one the GOAT idiotic comments. Only morons don’t understand the difference between reasons and “excuses”. It’s not an “excuse” to say Erik Kramer and Scott Mitchell were not as good as Elway or Young. It’s not an excuse to say Wayne Fontes is not as good as Mike Shanahan or Andy Reid. Sanders played for the Lions. They won only 1 playoff game since 1957(guess who was on the team that game btw) 1957. Note Stafford after leaving Detroit. It’s pathetically run franchise that was bad before Sanders got there and bad after he left. With him however they made the playoffs 5 times. Without him they’ve been to the playoffs only 6 times since 1957. Let that sink in and tell me he sucks because he didn’t win.
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So, tell me this, what is Sanders signature moment? Game?
This whole thread is based on his highlights
pick one as a signature moment. In 1997 the Lions made the playoffs they were 4-6 at one point and won 5 of the last 6. They needed to win the last game to make the playoffs and he had 184 yards.
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I just pulled a random guy, who nobody considers great, to show how pedestrian and unimpressive Sanders postseason accomplishments were.
You pulled a guy who played for a team in mid dynasty with a Hall of Fame QB and the greatest WR of all time. You also posted total numbers with no context. It’s not like Watters was some playoff hero. He had 170 yds in 3 games the year they won the SB. Not even 60 yds a game.
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Are you saying the postseason doesn't matter at all?
Not surprised you went to this strawman but when talking about HOF or greatness I use the much larger sample of regular season. Playoffs can be part of the equation but not the end all be all. Eli Manning IMO should only be in the HOF to see his brother. I’ll take Calvin Johnson all day long over Dion Branch and his SB MVP.
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I can literally name almost 100 other rbs with better postseason numbers
Good for you, we’ll know who to call if we discuss RB that were good in the playoffs only.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:40 pm to brmark70816
Here’s a real simple question for ya. You’re an NFL Defensive Coordinator preparing for a playoff game against the 90s Lions. Who are you scheming for Barry Sanders or Erik Kramer? Barry Sanders or Scott Mitchell?
Posted on 5/27/22 at 5:44 am to H-Town Tiger
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Simpson’s 2,003 yards in 14 games averages to 143.1 yards a game, the highest single-season per game average in NFL history. Brown is a distant second at 133.1 yards a game.
If we use per-game averages multiplied by a 14-game season, the NFL only has one 2,000-yard rusher in its long history: Orenthal James Simpson.
If Simpson’s 143.1 average was applied to a 16-game season, he would easily be the NFL’s all-time leading rusher. He would gain 2,290 yards, 160 yards more than Brown’s 16-game projection of 2,130 yards.
We cannot go back and correct the slew of awful things for which Simpson is responsible. And he should be remembered more for his off-field transgressions than his on-field brilliance. But make no mistake, the O.J. Simpson in 1973 is the best running back the NFL has ever seen.
And the Bills were terrible returning from 1–13 and 4–9–1 records in 1971 and 1972, respectively. everyone stacked the line to stop OJ in the Dead Ball Era.
And he averaged 5.1 yards per carry, higher than every Super Bowl championship team in all of league history.
You gave the ball to OJ twice, you got a 1st down. And in that era????
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 6:01 am
Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:32 am to brmark70816
Jim Brown had 8X All-Pro.
Barry 6x
Walter 5x
OJ 5X (but only one to have it in a row). Meaning at his height, nobody dominated like OJ.
Barry 6x
Walter 5x
OJ 5X (but only one to have it in a row). Meaning at his height, nobody dominated like OJ.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:58 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:You got downvoted, but. I have 2 friends who played o line in the NFL and both are in the HOF. Both said, Barry is the better runner. Emmitt was the better rb. There's a difference.
Great player obviously but I’d rather the Emmitt Smith type back who could get you tough yards between the tackles, even if he didn’t have Barry’s breakaway speed.
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