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re: I'll take peak Curry over peak Lebron
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:32 am to WestCoastAg
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:32 am to WestCoastAg
quote:I posted all 7 seasons. He played significantly less than MJ and Lebron in their first 7 seasons.
you're right. It was last year as well. He hasn't dealt with ankle problems in over 3 years. They are not careful with his minutes right now
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:34 am to Toula
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I actually give Curry the nod in "intangible qualities". He has the ability to mentally defeat teams. The scoring runs, and the speed of the run, is the most incredible thing to me. His run in the last minute of 1st half and start of the 3rd literally knocked OKC out last night. OKC played nearly perfect basketball for 28 minutes, and saw a 13 point lead go to a 5 point deficit in the blink of an eye. And the crazy thing is, every time you watch a GS game and they are trailing, you are anticipating Curry going god-mode.
That's the shite you can't quantify in a box score.
I totally agree with this, but I think a lot of it has to do with how GS is constructed. They are a team of jumpshooters that unselfishly move the basketball, so their runs are not limited to Curry. Look at game 6, for instance. Klay and Co started swinging the momentum the other way late in the game with Curry on the bench. A few bad possessions by the opponent is the catalyst for a GS run. Curry may not create the snowball, but he is great at making that snowball turn into a fricking avalanche.
When I talk about leadership and basketball IQ, I just look at how Lebron has elevated the play of every single guy he's played with. He understands floor spacing, passing lanes, his teammates' strengths/weaknesses as well as opponents' tendencies better than anyone I've seen play the game. He's an absolute basketball junkie, aficionado, etc. in every sense of the word. He's carried a team with scrubs (2007) and a team without it's 2nd and 3rd best players (2015) to the Finals, but he's also played alongside other superstars to reach multiple Finals. He's masterful at managing personalities and putting guys in positions to succeed.
Curry impacts GS in a somewhat similar way, but he makes his teammates better indirectly. By being so deadly offensively, he creates space for his teammates to operate. Lebron has a more direct hand in his teammates' success, IMO
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 11:35 am
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:08 pm to lsupride87
quote:and these past two years have been because the game is over in the 4th. They haven't managed his minutes in years
He played significantly less than MJ and Lebron in their first 7 seasons.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:11 pm to WestCoastAg
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and these past two years have been because the game is over in the 4th. They haven't managed his minutes in years
doesn't matter, he'll tell you about something about a random team in a different century to prove you different
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:21 pm to WestCoastAg
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and he did so playing a lot more minutes and at a higher usg%
I would think that fewer minutes helps PER.
Usage rate for Lebron in his best PER year was 32.2. For Steph this year it was 31.6. Don't know if that small disparity is significant enough to matter.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:22 pm to WestCoastAg
I am saying that even if GS wasn't dominating in the 4th, his minutes would still be limited. His previous 5 years show that. You disagree? You think he would have all of a sudden gone up to 40 minutes a game these last two seasons?
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:27 pm to Goldrush25
Fewer minutes does help efficiency. Westcoast says it wouldn't effect Curry. However, Curry does average 39 mpg in the playoffs these last two years, and his efficiency is lower than the regular season.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:41 pm to lsupride87
quote:Chad conveniently ignored this
LeBrons PER is higher. Second highest ever to MJ actually
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:45 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:48 pm to Chad504boy
You really this a thread comparing PEAK seasons, right Chad?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:49 pm to Chad504boy
The hell are you linking to and why doesn't it have anything to do with the thread?
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:53 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:55 pm to Chad504boy
chad do u even watch basketball?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:56 pm to Goldrush25
Good job, good effort, Curry.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:57 pm to PortCityTiger24
quote:
I'll take peak Curry over peak Lebron
LOLZ
No
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:57 pm to Goldrush25
quote:not when you are already as efficient as curry is. He would produce more, at the same efficiency, and therefore account for more points
would think that fewer minutes helps PER
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:59 pm to WestCoastAg
Then why does his efficiency go down in the playoffs where his minutes go up?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 1:00 pm to Lester Earl
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chad do u even watch basketball?
enough to warrant that i'll take curry's year over any lebron year ever. Also, curry is well on his way up, lebron on his way down. Lebron skill is nowhere near what curry's skill is. Lebron is just a physical specimen barreling his way to the rim for his efficiency in scoring as well as dunking 8 times a game.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 1:04 pm to Chad504boy
That's one or the stupidest post of the week. Congrats Chad
Posted on 5/31/16 at 1:07 pm to WestCoastAg
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not when you are already as efficient as curry is. He would produce more, at the same efficiency, and therefore account for more points
Or he might not.
Don't know how you can make such an assertion with absolute certainty. Ultimately we can only go by what happened. Curry had a historic season that was almost as good as Lebron's second best statistical season. One can definitely make an argument for him over peak Lebron, but I think you lose that argument from a pure analytical vantage point. If you want to mention that he could've been as efficient or moreso if he'd played more minutes, then I think it's only fair to speculate that he could've gotten worse. Both are possibilities.
I think all of the gestalt rhetoric has some merit but ultimately we'll never know the precise value of the two players relative to their teams.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 1:11 pm
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