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Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:17 am to wilceaux
quote:the defense has really been huge for their past couple of championship runs, but the skill players thing is very much debatable now.
My issue is that people seem to give him all the credit for the team's success, even when he doesn't play that well. The guy walked into the best situation a QB could possibly imagine. Best coach, great skill players, great OL, great defense.
But even with that, when push came to shove in both SBs, it was him making clutch plays at the end to win it.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:17 am to shel311
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Bady has 7, so how can the guy with 4 be more clutch if the only reason is because he has 4?
He's saying that Montana was undefeated in his Super Bowls (4/4, 100%), while Brady is 7/10 (70%).
By that logic, Mahomes is more clutch than Brady (3/4, 75%), but Super Bowls don't tell you whether a QB is clutch, necessarily.
I can't believe Brady went to 10 SBs and won 7 of them. Dude's the GOAT (for now).
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:19 am to shel311
quote:why did you ignore literally every other Stat in that post. C'mon man
so how can the guy with 4 be more clutch if the only reason is because he has 4?
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:20 am to castorinho
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why did you ignore literally every other Stat in that post. C'mon man
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:20 am to FootballFrenzy
quote:Yeah he's saying that....if you stopped reading after the first line. You guys had your morning coffee yet?
He's saying that Montana was undefeated in his Super Bowls (4/4, 100%), while Brady is 7/10 (70%).
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:22 am to FootballFrenzy
It's probably Montana. Also, let's see Mahomes hit the playoffs in his later years as well.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:22 am to castorinho
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Yeah he's saying that....if you stopped reading after the first line. You guys had your morning coffee yet?
I don't drink coffee.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:23 am to Jcorye1
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let's see Mahomes hit the playoffs in his later years as well.
Yes, please. :)
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:34 am to FootballFrenzy
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:38 am to TigerintheNO
Mahomes has too much help from the officials to be considered the most clutch in NFL history.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:42 am to TeachemMeachem17
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Mahomes has too much help from the officials to be considered the most clutch in NFL history.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:43 am to FootballFrenzy
Idk man. It’s hard for me to call these quarterbacks clutch because every single rule is completely skewed towards the offense. Can’t even breathe on a quarterback anymore, can’t touch a receiver. I dislike that you can’t make a receiver pay for coming across the middle.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:00 am to wilceaux
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My issue is that people seem to give him all the credit for the team's success, even when he doesn't play that well. The guy walked into the best situation a QB could possibly imagine. Best coach, great skill players, great OL, great defense.
Yes, and????
Brady did the same thing coming in after Bledsoe, but he's still considered to be the GOAT at QB by most everybody (even me, and I hate the guy).
What about Aaron Rodgers coming in after Brett Favre? Does anyone take anything away from his skillset and success for that?
Nobody in their right minds would ever say that Mahomes is the single solitary reason for the Chiefs' success. But at the QB position, he IS unique and his coach knows how to put him in the best position to succeed, even if it's just saying "go out and do your thing, Patrick".
The rest of the team feeds off what Mahomes brings to the table. His receivers - especially Kelce - know what he's going to do and adapt to Mahome's strengths and capabilities.
So two things can be true at once: Mahomes isn't the sole reason for the Chief's success, but his unique skillset combined with his coach and a supporting offense maximizes what he can do with that skillset.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:01 am to wilceaux
delete - duplicate post
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 11:03 am
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:04 am to Dotarian
Brady came in to a team that had went 5-11 the year prior and was 0-2 when he took over.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:05 am to Dotarian
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Brady did the same thing coming in after Bledsoe, but he's still considered to be the GOAT at QB by most everybody (even me, and I hate the guy).
Think Brady’s best receiver when he came in was Deion Branch.
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What about Aaron Rodgers coming in after Brett Favre? Does anyone take anything away from his skillset and success for that?
He had fat Mike as a coach. And never had great skill players.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:08 am to FootballFrenzy
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Is Patrick Mahomes the most clutch QB in NFL history?
If he's a Republican? Yes. If he's a Democrat? No. Tom Brady is.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:34 am to grizzlylongcut
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What about Aaron Rodgers coming in after Brett Favre? Does anyone take anything away from his skillset and success for that?
He had fat Mike as a coach. And never had great skill players.
He had prime Greg Jennings, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson, and Devante Adams
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:48 am to FootballFrenzy
quote:Which is dumb
He's saying that Montana was undefeated in his Super Bowls (4/4, 100%), while Brady is 7/10 (70%).
Brady has 7 SB wins, Montana 4
Brady has 10 conference championship wins, Montana has 4
If you're using playoff success to determine clutch, it's not just Brady, it's Brady and there is zero logical argument for Montana based on wins.
quote:Right, this is the answer.quote:
but Super Bowls don't tell you whether a QB is clutch, necessarily.
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