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re: Just one more reason why LeBron is better then Jordan
Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:24 am to Drewbie
Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:24 am to Drewbie
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He fricking lost to Dirk, Jason Terry, Shawn Marion, and Jason Kidd all over age 35 at the time while he had two other all-stars in their primes on his team.
Jason Kidd was the only one over 35.
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Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:38 am to Drewbie
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He fricking lost to Dirk, Jason Terry, Shawn Marion, and Jason Kidd all over age 35 at the time while he had two other all-stars in their primes on his team
You do realize there are two HOFers in that group and one of them is arguably the best foreign born player of all time, right? That Dallas team was not chopped liver. They were really good.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:40 am to c on z
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The finals/titles argument has been the easy go-to argument in the Jordan >>> LeBron discussion, even though that is more of a team accomplishment than an individual accomplishment.
For me, it's not just that he won 6 rings total. It's that over an 8 year span, a Jordan-led team won the championship EVERY single year he was on the team for the whole season. The only gap is a 2 year period where he sat out a full season and most of the second.
That's a level of dominance rarely seen in sports. You have UCLA and the early Celtics with streaks like that...and arguably in easier times with less teams and competition.
That's what wins the argument for guys like me. Not that Jordan was the best player in the league and that he won a bunch of rings. It's the absolute consistency of excellence that has rarely been exhibited in sports. Whenever Jordan retired, the league breathed a sigh of relief because they now had a chance. I don't see Lebron (or anyone else) on that level right now.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:44 am to AU24
Jordan had way better teams. When Jordan left his team they still went to the playoffs. When LeBron left the teams went to the lottery. LeBron's coaches were trash as well.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:48 am to topcat88
quote:What'd they win, 55 games and a 2 seed and won a playoff series the year after his 1st retirement?
Jordan had way better teams. When Jordan left his team they still went to the playoffs
You really can't ignore that...although most do.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 9:50 am
Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:53 am to topcat88
The second best player on that 2007 Cavs team that went to the Finals was probably either old man Z or Daniel Gibson. Think about that for a minute. The second best player on any team that went to the Finals with Jordan was a hall of famer Scottie Pippen.
Jordan was a more ruthless player, and was elite on both ends of the floor for a very long time. He's the best, we all agree on that. But to act like LeBron isn't even in the discussion is just flat out dumb. We've never seen anyone with his overall skill set. In his absolute peak years, he was Magic Johnson, Scottie Pippen and Karl Malone all rolled into one player.
Would anyone think of LeBron differently had Wade come to Cleveland in the summer of 2010 instead of LeBron going to Miami, as was supposedly originally planned?
Jordan was a more ruthless player, and was elite on both ends of the floor for a very long time. He's the best, we all agree on that. But to act like LeBron isn't even in the discussion is just flat out dumb. We've never seen anyone with his overall skill set. In his absolute peak years, he was Magic Johnson, Scottie Pippen and Karl Malone all rolled into one player.
Would anyone think of LeBron differently had Wade come to Cleveland in the summer of 2010 instead of LeBron going to Miami, as was supposedly originally planned?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:56 am to AU24
MJ was clutch
no one I know thinks of LeBron and clutch in the same breath.
no one I know thinks of LeBron and clutch in the same breath.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:00 am to CelticDog
48 points (including the final 25 for the Cavs of the game) in Game 5 in Detroit in the 2007 conference finals.
45 and 15 in Game 6 of the 2012 conference finals in Boston, down 3-2 in the series.
37 and 12 in Game 7 of the 2013 Finals against San Antonio.
But those aren't clutch performances when his team absolutely needed it, right?
45 and 15 in Game 6 of the 2012 conference finals in Boston, down 3-2 in the series.
37 and 12 in Game 7 of the 2013 Finals against San Antonio.
But those aren't clutch performances when his team absolutely needed it, right?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:03 am to VADawg
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The second best player on that 2007 Cavs team that went to the Finals was probably either old man Z or Daniel Gibson.
Larry Hughes.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:04 am to VADawg
quote:This, all of it.
Jordan was a more ruthless player, and was elite on both ends of the floor for a very long time. He's the best, we all agree on that. But to act like LeBron isn't even in the discussion is just flat out dumb. We've never seen anyone with his overall skill set. In his absolute peak years, he was Magic Johnson, Scottie Pippen and Karl Malone all rolled into one player.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:04 am to c on z
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The finals/titles argument has been the easy go-to argument in the Jordan >>> LeBron discussion, even though that is more of a team accomplishment than an individual accomplishment.
I think it's a valid point for basketball because one player can impact the outcome of the game much more than in other sports. It makes a lot more sense in the context of this debate than in say the Brady vs Manning debate. Not saying it's everything but it's definitely important element of the comparison
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:04 am to CelticDog
quote:But I bet you're one of those that think Kobe is clutch too, right?
no one I know thinks of LeBron and clutch in the same breath
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:05 am to LL012697
quote:And yet, virtually everyone has MJ as the GOAT over Bill Russell.
I think it's a valid point for basketball because one player can impact the outcome of the game much more than in other sports. It makes a lot more sense in the context of this debate than in say the Brady vs Manning debate. Not saying it's everything but it's definitely important element of the comparison
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:08 am to shel311
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And yet, virtually everyone has MJ as the GOAT over Bill Russell.
How many teams were in the league when Russell was dominating the 60's? How many teams were in the league in the 90's? How many teams are in the league now?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:08 am to shel311
You must have missed my last sentence
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:09 am to shel311
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What'd they win, 55 games and a 2 seed and won a playoff series the year after his 1st retirement?
You really can't ignore that...although most do.
I mean but Lebron also lost 2 finals with Bosh and Wade, and lost one while adding Allen (an old Allen granted). I mean Lebron has lost with great teams in 2 of his 4 losses, and you could say 3 (injuries happened last year)
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:10 am to LL012697
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I think it's a valid point for basketball because one player can impact the outcome of the game much more than in other sports. It makes a lot more sense in the context of this debate than in say the Brady vs Manning debate. Not saying it's everything but it's definitely important element of the comparison
2009 ECF is a perfect series to bring up here. LeBron was the best player in the NBA at that point, and was absolutely dominant that entire series. If you rank out the players in that series, LeBron was the best, and then Orlando had about the next six. Yet people want to blame LeBron for Cleveland losing that series. LeBron spent his first seven years dragging piles of shite as far as anyone possibly could.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:13 am to Choupique19
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If Lebron drove to the goal against Lambeer and Mahorn they would have made him cry and Lebron would have quit basketball.
Jesus
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:15 am to VADawg
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Because at 6'8 270 he couldn't handle a little physical play, right?
You watched the game last night?
He got touched on the face from someones arm and went flailing to the ground like he get knocked out.
I like Lebron, but i just don't understand why he has to be a bitch like that.
and to answer your question, No i don't think he could handle the physical play. Should his body be able to? yes. But his pussy mentality and trying to flop all the time just wouldn't work. I think someone would eventually just punch him in the face or really elbow him on purpose so he'd actually see what it's like to fall down b/c he actually got hit and not b/c he was flopping.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:16 am to AU24
Dumb post is beyond Dumb
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