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re: MLB Offseason Thread
Posted on 1/24/19 at 12:39 pm to SeeeeK
Posted on 1/24/19 at 12:39 pm to SeeeeK
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AJ Pollock has already passed physical onhis Dodger deal. Slated to earn $55m in first 4 years, but could earn opt-out after Year 3 if he reaches set no. of PA. 5th year player option for $10m, w/ $5m buyout
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AJ Pollock has already passed physical onhis Dodger deal. Slated to earn $55m in first 4 years, but could earn opt-out after Year 3 if he reaches set no. of PA. 5th year player option for $10m, w/ $5m buyout
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 12:57 pm to papz
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Man, 4/50 looks even better. Not sure what the fuss is about. That's only 12.5 a year which is chump change on a short contract.
hitting the nail on the head as usual papzy. That is such a low risk-high reward move by LAD, i dont see how people have beef.
Considr McCutchen just got 3/50, Brantley 2/32
just 2 seasons ago Fowler 5/82 and josh redick 4/52
Now, they go off trading more OF, and Pollock gets hurt, then you have reason to complain. But they needed another RH bat for sure.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 12:58 pm to WestCoastAg
I can’t imagine bitching about signing AJ Pollock.
I’m left to celebrate with Asdrubal and Zach McCallister.
I’m left to celebrate with Asdrubal and Zach McCallister.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:02 pm to WestCoastAg
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i wouldnt call swapping joc and pollock out as maintaining offensive production, its a legitimate step back in the same vein that pollock is a legitimate step forward over joc with defense.
joc is an automatic out vs LHP.
Bellinger is too.
Seager & Muncy have positive splits but still, it will be good to have another RH against lefties
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:05 pm to Lester Earl
quote:yes, but can we be so sure pollock is hitting lefties still? he was total arse against them last year. im willing to consider that being a one year thing, but its something that happened
joc is an automatic out vs LHP.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:08 pm to Lester Earl
Braves pass on Pollock, Dodgers snag him which will force their hand with Joc to Braves 
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:10 pm to LSUsmartass
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Braves pass on Pollock, Dodgers snag him which will force their hand with Joc to Braves
Seems inevitable now. At least it will give Kakes some days off without seeing too drastic of a drop in production.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:15 pm to Lester Earl
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But they REALLY needed another RH bat for sure.
This definitely played a big part in it. Pollock is an upgrade in that lineup period.
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i wouldnt call swapping joc and pollock out as maintaining offensive production, its a legitimate step back in the same vein that pollock is a legitimate step forward over joc with defense.
LF: 116, CF: 32, RF: 2(GP by position for Pederson in 2018)
I think you're first mistake is thinking you're swapping out Pederson's production for Pollock's. The second mistake is cherry picking just one year for his splits. He historically hits lefties better, but the split between the two is marginal. He's a good player. He just can't stay healthy.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:18 pm to papz
quote:pederson isnt being floated around in trades right now for shits and grins. he cant hit lefties, pollock traditionally has been decent at hitting lefties. thats the move
I think you're first mistake is thinking you're swapping out Pederson's production for Pollock's.
quote:i said i am willing to believe it was just a one year deal
The second mistake is cherry picking just one year for his splits.
quote:these are two very similar players for different reasons. the point is joc is cheaper and the dodgers are only paying for decline years for pollock
, but the split between the two is marginal.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:23 pm to WestCoastAg
The Cardinals just hired Joc Pederson's brother to be a hitting coach for the High A team. His name is Tyger. Tyger and Joc. Their dad should be arrested.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:41 pm to WestCoastAg
There's nothing there for me to rebut here besides the last statement. They aren't similar players. Pollock is the better player offensively and defensively.
You make this argument btw these two as far as production but that's just not the case. One was not signed to replace the other. Pederson was a platoon LF'er who filled in at CF on occasion.
You upgrade at CF. You balance out your lineup. You're signed him to a non-crippling contract. Your team looks better. I don't understand what you are complaining about. Had he signed a Lorenzo Cain type deal from last season I could see the reservation. News flash, this is pennies for a big market team like the Dodgers... though they certainly don't act like it.
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i wouldnt call swapping joc and pollock out as maintaining offensive production, its a legitimate step back in the same vein that pollock is a legitimate step forward over joc with defense.
You make this argument btw these two as far as production but that's just not the case. One was not signed to replace the other. Pederson was a platoon LF'er who filled in at CF on occasion.
You upgrade at CF. You balance out your lineup. You're signed him to a non-crippling contract. Your team looks better. I don't understand what you are complaining about. Had he signed a Lorenzo Cain type deal from last season I could see the reservation. News flash, this is pennies for a big market team like the Dodgers... though they certainly don't act like it.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:49 pm to papz
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Pederson was a platoon LF'er who filled in at CF on occasion.
Any rough estimates on what Pederson would cost? If the Braves pursue him then he's likely platooning with Ender and Markakis. Braves had the cash for Pollock, but now that they didn't move on him, it looks like they want to spend at a different position.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:54 pm to WestCoastAg
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AJ Pollock to the Dodgers 5/65
Amazing how the market has changed over the last decade. Jacoby Ellsbury got 7/153.
The players union has to be pissed.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:58 pm to Rhino5
I would think smartass would be the only guy to possibly answer that type of question with any accuracy.
I do want to add one thing on Pollock. His career kryptonite has been his hustle. He tries to make every play out there which has led to many injuries. With less ground to cover and flanked by better defensive players, there's hope he can finally stay healthier now. I can't say he'll out earn his contract but if he does, it'll look like a big bargain.
I do want to add one thing on Pollock. His career kryptonite has been his hustle. He tries to make every play out there which has led to many injuries. With less ground to cover and flanked by better defensive players, there's hope he can finally stay healthier now. I can't say he'll out earn his contract but if he does, it'll look like a big bargain.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:02 pm to papz
quote:in what way? pederson hits for more power and gets on base more often. your comment on him being a platoon player is true. still didnt stop him from a) playing more than pollock because pollock cant stay healthy and b) being a better offensive player when does play
Pollock is the better player offensively
quote:this is even whatever because bellinger was really good in center this past year. and its not like this will free up bellinger to move back to first as trading joc and/or verdugo in the upcoming days will probably force bellinger to play in the outfield again
You upgrade at CF
quote:this is the only reason the deal was made. you know who else could have round out the lineup and given us a better offensive option against lefties? bryce harper
You balance out your lineup
quote:and this is the logic that got the phillies where they are this decade. your goal should be to not tie up players who are in decline for 4. maybe 5, years
You're signed him to a non-crippling contract
quote:i would argue that it makes us slightly better for the upcoming year, thats even if you want to forget that fangraphs depth charts projection puts joc with a higher projected WAR fro 2019, and then you have no idea what it will look like after that
Your team looks better.
quote:and you hit the nail on the head. the dodgers are clearing depth and salary to sign........aj pollock. all because they have decided to be hamstrung by the tax threshold even though they can easily pay for the penalties
News flash, this is pennies for a big market team like the Dodgers... though they certainly don't act like it.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:17 pm to Rhino5
Yeah, I don’t think Pederson makes much sense for the Braves unless they are gonna move Ender or Camargo for some pitching.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:28 pm to WestCoastAg
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in what way? pederson hits for more power and gets on base more often. your comment on him being a platoon player is true. still didnt stop him from a) playing more than pollock because pollock cant stay healthy and b) being a better offensive player when does play
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He hits better, less power, more speed. Their OBP ability are virtually identical for their career. To suggest Pederson is better offensively is crazy talk.
Pollock's power has also been on the uptick for the past couple of years. His ISO was at a career high last season and his hard hit rate was better than Pederson's. So while he doesn't have as much power as Pederson, Pollock's power is undersold.
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this is even whatever because bellinger was really good in center this past year. and its not like this will free up bellinger to move back to first as trading joc and/or verdugo in the upcoming days will probably force bellinger to play in the outfield again
Bellinger was their CF'er and he plays good defense. You also want him to remain healthy. Moving him to RF not only increase production there, it also lessens his risk of injury. You want want Bellinger in RF, not center.
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this is the only reason the deal was made. you know who else could have round out the lineup and given us a better offensive option against lefties? bryce harper
Incorrect. He does more than just balance out the lineup. Your inability to recognize that pretty much ends our discussion.
Harper would have definitely been a better option as he would for every MLB team out there. Except his cost 200+ million more and wasn't an option.
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and this is the logic that got the phillies where they are this decade. your goal should be to not tie up players who are in decline for 4. maybe 5, years
Once again, incorrect. This is not a Jayson Werth contract. This is not an Ryan Howard contract. That along with not being able to develop their prospects put the Phillies in the hole they were in.
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i would argue that it makes us slightly better for the upcoming year, thats even if you want to forget that fangraphs depth charts projection puts joc with a higher projected WAR fro 2019, and then you have no idea what it will look like after that
You're not arguing anything here. You're agreeing that your team looks better.
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and you hit the nail on the head. the dodgers are clearing depth and salary to sign........aj pollock. all because they have decided to be hamstrung by the tax threshold even though they can easily pay for the penalties
This is inconclusive. They are in talks for Realmuto and could very well offer him a massive extension should it happen.
The Dodgers look good and they aren't missing much right now. You've been to the past two WS and got better. Outside of being in on Harper, which is somewhat a luxury, I'm not sure they needed to make a big big time add to start with.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:34 pm to Hot Carl
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Yeah, I don’t think Pederson makes much sense for the Braves unless they are gonna move Ender or Camargo for some pitching.
There's been chatter about moving Camargo out there as a super utility guy. It's possible, but I'm guessing if the Braves pursue Pederson, then Anthopolus thought it was too risky to use Camargo in that role.
Not gonna lie, starting to get jealous at some of these moves other playoff clubs are doing, meanwhile the Braves are kind of sitting on their asses at the moment. Hoping for a Realmuto or big time starter in the next couple weeks.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:43 pm to Rhino5
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There's been chatter about moving Camargo out there as a super utility guy. It's possible, but I'm guessing if the Braves pursue Pederson, then Anthopolus thought it was too risky to use Camargo in that role.
Considering his youth and ability to play both OF and IF, I’d rather have Camargo over Pederson straight up. Throw in the huge gap in salaries and that we’d have to give up players for Joc, and that’s a big fat no from me, dog.
And I hear ya about the jealosuy part. Mets and Phils have been super aggressive. But I’d rather not make us chase them into a bad decision to try to keep up.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:54 pm to papz
quote:and a lot of that goes back to when pollock was breaking out in 2014 and 2015. since pollocks injury during spring training in 2016, his two seasons that he has played legitimate time has OBPs of 330 and 316. joc has OBPs of 352, 331, and 321. similar, but id take jocs OBP numbers
Their OBP ability are virtually identical for their career. To suggest Pederson is better offensively is crazy talk.
quote:and has been beaten twice by joc
His ISO was at a career high last season
quote:pollock had a xwOBA that was two points higher than joc this past year. thats pretty equal but a fair point to make that pollock has a better number when it comes to making quality contact
and his hard hit rate was better than Pederson's
quote:i never said pollock didnt have power, simply that joc has more
Pollock's power is undersold.
quote:i want bellinger at first base where he has a 70 grade tool there. i dont like seeing the dodgers rip their outfield depth simply because it forces bellinger back out there
Moving him to RF not only increase production there, it also lessens his risk of injury. You want want Bellinger in RF, not center.
quote:please enlighten me. ive already stated he brings better defense than the player he is replacing. but that isnt the reason they made this deal, its an added benefit. they brought him in because they want people who can hit against lefties and they have decided that they dont want to pay over the tax threshold
Incorrect. He does more than just balance out the lineup. Your inability to recognize that pretty much ends our discussion.
quote:id rather have harper at 5/200 than pollock at 4/65
Except his cost 200+ million more and wasn't an option.
quote:im saying i dont want to really argue over next year when pollock may be slightly better for the team next year. even though joc is much better for the team in the long run, and some projections will say that joc is in fact the better option for next year
You're not arguing anything here. You're agreeing that your team looks better.
quote:i cant commnet on this because it may or may not happen. they may complete a trade for realmuto. but i have no idea if the extension will scare them off or not.
They are in talks for Realmuto and could very well offer him a massive extension should it happen.
quote:getting better for 2019 depends on a) if we get realmuto and b) if we dont have to trade verdugo for him. i would say we dont look as good in the future, beyond 2019
You've been to the past two WS and got better.
quote:i would agree that they didnt need to make any real major moves to win the division coming into this winter. but once theyve started chipping away at the outfield depth, they kinda need to make some kind of move. i will welcome a realmuto move as long as they dont lose any ore outfield depth for it
I'm not sure they needed to make a big big time add to start with.
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