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re: Purdue shoots 38 more free throws
Posted on 2/1/24 at 11:29 am to The Third Leg
Posted on 2/1/24 at 11:29 am to The Third Leg
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Have you ever played basketball? This rarely happens because if one team is playing really physical, the other will usually play more physical. For a 6x foul discrepancy to legitimately happen requires one team to play flawless and the other to play recklessly. Given the score and other stat lines, it is obvious the home cooking was on poin
There's like 7000 basketball games in a season or so. All kinds of things that rarely happen are going to end up happening in a season. You can't conclude from that that the game was fixed.
A triple double will rarely ever happen in CBB. Yet there have been 25 so far this season
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 11:36 am to theGarnetWay
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Whenever I see skewed foul or FT counts I always wonder at what point can a coach at least try and chat to the ref about it? Should a coach have to be in that position? Absolutely not. Is it the coach's fault? No. But when it gets to that point does the NW coach go to the refs during the game and ask them the exact question you just asked? I'm not sure that would change how the refs or calling the game but it couldn't hurt. ETA: It does look like the NW coach did bring it up and was rightly upset about it.
I keep score and books for our local HS games (volunteer role.)
Coaches come and ask what the foul count is regularly then take that to the refs. I’ve seen a coach do it politely and then get yelled at by the ref for impugning their honor and threaten a T. I’ve seen them get into a screaming match and then the refs start evening up the calls.
At our last away game the foul count was 24v7 (not in our favor.). It wasn’t that we fouled more, both teams match up well and play the same. Our superintendent went and yelled at the refs after the game because it was pretty flagrant.
i saw a defender make a play on a ball and knock over the PG with the ball and the PG got knocked all the way over hit his head and was out for a second and the refs T'd up the coach for going on the court to check on the PG while the defender went down and scored by himself.
all that is to say, it happens. it's not fair, but it happens. sometimes the refs just really don't like a coach and refs are happy to screw them over.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 11:47 am
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:21 pm to The Sultan of Swine
This is a little more rare than that triple double.
Overall, Purdue had a 46-8 advantage in attempts from the line, the largest free throw attempt gap in Big Ten conference games over the past 25 seasons, according to ESPN Stats & Information research.
Overall, Purdue had a 46-8 advantage in attempts from the line, the largest free throw attempt gap in Big Ten conference games over the past 25 seasons, according to ESPN Stats & Information research.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:24 pm to slutiger5
He won't get those calls in the tourney and they'll be out before the 2nd weekend is over.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:27 pm to nicholastiger
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Get rid of the refs and just let players call foul like I used to do in the driveway
False call, false call mane
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:50 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:53 pm to The Sultan of Swine
Purdue is one of the top teams in the country in terms of fewest fouls per game. NW is in the bottom third of the country in that category (thought last night's game almost assuredly skews those numbers). So it's not that unreasonable to think Purdue would shoot more FTs than NW. Perhaps significantly. But a FT discrepancy of THIRTY-EIGHT (38) FTs for one team is a lot. Of course, 4 of those FTs were cam via two technical fouls with NW's finally had enough and lost his shite on the refs at the end of the game.
I'm not saying there was any sort of conspiracy here. But I do think the officials had to have gone into the game anticipating Purdue was going to try to draw a lot of fouls as part of their game plan. And given that Edey took nearly half of the 42 (non technical foul) FTs, I would be willing to bet the Purdue coaching staff informed the officials they planed to feed Edey often and to be on the look out for fouls
Fouls are a lot like holding in football. You could probably call one on almost every play. But as an official you have to take that into account and try to limit the calls to only the egregious instances because there is going to be contact on 90% of plays in a basketball game. You would hope at some point the refs would realize there is a huge discrepancy in the foul calls and kind of adjust accordingly.
I'm not saying there was any sort of conspiracy here. But I do think the officials had to have gone into the game anticipating Purdue was going to try to draw a lot of fouls as part of their game plan. And given that Edey took nearly half of the 42 (non technical foul) FTs, I would be willing to bet the Purdue coaching staff informed the officials they planed to feed Edey often and to be on the look out for fouls
Fouls are a lot like holding in football. You could probably call one on almost every play. But as an official you have to take that into account and try to limit the calls to only the egregious instances because there is going to be contact on 90% of plays in a basketball game. You would hope at some point the refs would realize there is a huge discrepancy in the foul calls and kind of adjust accordingly.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:06 pm to The Third Leg
That are really contrasting styles like one team living on 3s the other feeding in the paint.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:12 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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Comparing free throw attempts as an attempt to blame refs is lame
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This is the same thing as comparing points. UConn had 99 points and Xavier only had 56 - clearly an officiating bias here.
Refs call fouls, they don't score.
Maybe the worst analogy in TD history!
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:23 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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All kinds of things that rarely happen are going to end up happening in a season.
From the ESPN article, it wasn't even the biggest discrepancy this year
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That discrepancy also was the second largest across Division I this season, trailing only Northeastern's 51-9 free throw advantage against Old Dominion on Dec. 2.
And on top of what the poster above said about committing fouls. Purdue is 9th in the country at FTA's, Northwestern is 325th.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:56 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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Is it possible for a team to legitimately only earn 8 FTAs? Absolutely Is it possible for a team to legitimately earn 46 FTAs? Absolutely Whether or not these happen in the same game is meaningless
Stunned an Arkansas fan would feel this way since this exact scenario played out against Alabama in Bud Walton arena
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:50 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Stunned an Arkansas fan would feel this way since this exact scenario played out against Alabama in Bud Walton arena
Muss teams at their best have an absolute priority placed on getting to the line. Oats teams at their best are lighting it up from 3.
If we don't have a massive free throw advantage when we play Bama something has gone very wrong
Posted on 2/1/24 at 4:45 pm to slutiger5
Iowa St used to have a tremendous free throw advantage at home under johnny orr.
I believe like a 20+ free throw advantage every home game during his time.
I believe like a 20+ free throw advantage every home game during his time.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 7:14 pm to jroy64
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NCAA loves Edey. he going to get the whistle in any 50/50 situation
have you seen the dude play? they pretty much have to foul him under the goal
Posted on 2/1/24 at 7:52 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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The Sultan of Swine
One question: did you even watch the game?
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:07 pm to TheRouxGuru
I watched some of the 2nd half. It’s definitely tough containing edey so I can’t jump on one side or the other. He should be avg 30ppg shooting that many free throws. And 8 free throws from a big conf school is pretty low. Just a lopsided stat line I guess.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 11:01 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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Muss teams at their best have an absolute priority placed on getting to the line. Oats teams at their best are lighting it up from 3
False. He believes in easy shots at the rim and 3s and thinks long 2s are bad (analytics back it up). Arkansas took more 2pt shots in the game but the shot chart at the rim was basically even and Arkansas had a 43 to 8 FTA ratio.
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And on top of what the poster above said about committing fouls. Purdue is 9th in the country at FTA's, Northwestern is 325th.
And that is in part because Edey is allowed to do whatever he wants by the officials. When Alabama and Purdue played this year Robbie Hummel was the analyst during the game and even he kept making comments about how the officials were letting Edey do whatever he wanted and were then calling Alabama for ticky tack fouls and how that wasn't ok. If you don't remember Hummel played for Painter at Purdue and he's not afraid to tell you how much he loves and respects that man/program....so you know what it means when even he is saying Purdue gets officiated differently.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:35 am to BamaDude06
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And that is in part because Edey is allowed to do whatever he wants by the officials.
I mean he’s 7’4” and 300lbs, they pretty have to foul him when he gets the ball under the goal.
He’s currently leading the nation at 10.75 free throw attempts per game and it’s not even close. You think all refs are in on it or he’s just that dominant of a player ?
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This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 6:37 am
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:50 am to nicholastiger
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just let players call foul like I used to do in the driveway
you ever played basketball with some brothers? Hell i quit playing at the Y because of assholes who call a foul every time they miss a shot.Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:58 pm to hubertcumberdale
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He’s currently leading the nation at 10.75 free throw attempts per game and it’s not even close. You think all refs are in on it or he’s just that dominant of a player ?
They do not know how to officiate a guy being that big period. There's a reason why Matt Painter always seems to have a 7'4" big. And they're always 7'4".
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