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re: Someone find me a more overrated qb than joe Namath?
Posted on 12/21/12 at 8:43 am to Bench McElroy
Posted on 12/21/12 at 8:43 am to Bench McElroy
Joe Namath is in the hall of fame because of this picture:
Rightly or wrongly, Joe Namath is seen as the figure most responsible for putting the perception of the old AFL teams on the same level as the old NFL teams.
Rightly or wrongly, perception still means something in these discussions.
Rightly or wrongly, Joe Namath is seen as the figure most responsible for putting the perception of the old AFL teams on the same level as the old NFL teams.
Rightly or wrongly, perception still means something in these discussions.
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Posted on 12/21/12 at 8:45 am to JJ27
Namath was a gunslinger. He never played it safe and forced the ball into situations that most quarterbacks would have stayed away from. He said as much in the documentary HBO did on him. The guy had complete and total faith in his own arm, to a point past arrogance, and believed he could complete every throw, no matter how impossible it looked. That's why you see such a ratio in his stats. Also...Namath threw for 4,000 yards in a 14-game schedule format in an era where rules made it much harder on the offensive line and wide receivers to do their thing against the defense. The next guy to throw for over 4,000 yards, Dan Fouts, did it on a 16-game schedule with rules that were MUCH more favorable to the WR and OL.
I also think Joe Namath is in the Hall of Fame because he was the NFL's first true celebrity player. A lot of people don't know this, but there was a time where college football was much more popular than the NFL. Namath was one of the first personalities to come along to help buck that trend. He gave the NFL some much needed swagger.
I also think Joe Namath is in the Hall of Fame because he was the NFL's first true celebrity player. A lot of people don't know this, but there was a time where college football was much more popular than the NFL. Namath was one of the first personalities to come along to help buck that trend. He gave the NFL some much needed swagger.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 8:59 am to RollTide1987
Joe Namath's 4000 yard season 1967:
Namath = 52.5% completions, 4,007 yards, 26 TDs, 28 INTs, team record 8-5-1
Daryle Lamonica = 51.8% completions, 3,228 yards, 30 TDs, 20 INTs, team record 13-1
Guarantee year 1968:
Namath = 49.2% completions, 3,147 yards, 15 TDs, 17 Ints, team record 11-3
Lamonica = 49.5% completions, 3,245 yards, 25 TDs, 15 Ints, team record 11-2
The eyeball testers I'm sure have been lobbying for Lamonica in the HOF for year.
Namath = 52.5% completions, 4,007 yards, 26 TDs, 28 INTs, team record 8-5-1
Daryle Lamonica = 51.8% completions, 3,228 yards, 30 TDs, 20 INTs, team record 13-1
Guarantee year 1968:
Namath = 49.2% completions, 3,147 yards, 15 TDs, 17 Ints, team record 11-3
Lamonica = 49.5% completions, 3,245 yards, 25 TDs, 15 Ints, team record 11-2
The eyeball testers I'm sure have been lobbying for Lamonica in the HOF for year.
This post was edited on 12/21/12 at 9:02 am
Posted on 12/21/12 at 9:09 am to stapuffmarshy
So instead of finding more overrated players, Namath fans are just in here spouting off how his stats are pointless but how he's awesome bc of his stat of throwing for 4000 yards?
Got it
Got it
Posted on 12/21/12 at 9:13 am to Dire Wolf
Joe Montana
Posted on 12/21/12 at 9:26 am to Maximus
I'm not taking sides with either camp. I'm just giving you the two main reasons why I think he's in the Hall of Fame. Is he overrated? Going on stats alone, I think he is. However....I wasn't alive to see him play. And despite throwing 28 interceptions to just 25 touchdowns in 1967, he was still 1st Team All-AFL. Someone must have liked his play.
This post was edited on 12/21/12 at 9:29 am
Posted on 12/21/12 at 9:26 am to bayoubengal03
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Joe Montana
Them are fighting words.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 9:31 am to Dire Wolf
Terry Bradshaw
Posted on 12/21/12 at 9:39 am to Maximus
The "if this guy is in then that guy should be in" doesn't hold water. If you think that Namath shouldn't be in, then that doesn't help your argument to get Lamonica in. If you think that Lamonica should be in, then argue his entry on HIS merits alone, not by tearing down Namath.
Let's look at 1967.
The average team threw for 179.5 yards per game.
Namath threw for 286.2 per game. 286.2/179.5 is 1.59. That's a HUGE difference. To compare, Drew Brees threw for 342.3 yards per game in 2011. The league average then was 229.7. The factor there is 1.49.
Namath was ahead of his time, and that's why he is in the Hall. He was Brett Favre before Brett Favre was born.
Let's look at 1967.
The average team threw for 179.5 yards per game.
Namath threw for 286.2 per game. 286.2/179.5 is 1.59. That's a HUGE difference. To compare, Drew Brees threw for 342.3 yards per game in 2011. The league average then was 229.7. The factor there is 1.49.
Namath was ahead of his time, and that's why he is in the Hall. He was Brett Favre before Brett Favre was born.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 9:57 am to Sophandros
You guys need to understand how much the rule changes on pass coverage totally changed the NFL in 1978.
Namath played in a time where the DB could pound the receiver non-stop until the ball was in the air. The emphasis was on big, physical CBs.
In 1978, the "five yard rule" was adopted where the DB could only make contact once within the first five yards and then no more.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Bill Walsh invented the dink and dunk West Coast offense that took advantage of the new rules with quick slants, etc.
In the seasons ahead, a 60 percent pass completion rate and 300 yard games became common place.
Namath played in an entirely different era. 300 yards passing in a game was quite an achievement.
So you people who are disparaging Namath for a 50 percent pass completion percentage need to put things in perspective. Yes, even for his day, Namath was not a pinpoint short passer but he was one of the greatest long passers of all-time.
1978 was a rubicon in NFL history. You are comparing apples and oranges if you try to compare qbs from the different eras.
Namath played in a time where the DB could pound the receiver non-stop until the ball was in the air. The emphasis was on big, physical CBs.
In 1978, the "five yard rule" was adopted where the DB could only make contact once within the first five yards and then no more.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Bill Walsh invented the dink and dunk West Coast offense that took advantage of the new rules with quick slants, etc.
In the seasons ahead, a 60 percent pass completion rate and 300 yard games became common place.
Namath played in an entirely different era. 300 yards passing in a game was quite an achievement.
So you people who are disparaging Namath for a 50 percent pass completion percentage need to put things in perspective. Yes, even for his day, Namath was not a pinpoint short passer but he was one of the greatest long passers of all-time.
1978 was a rubicon in NFL history. You are comparing apples and oranges if you try to compare qbs from the different eras.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 10:02 am to Kafka
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Now whether or not Namath belongs in the HOF is another question
Absolutely, but I agree he is overrated
Posted on 12/21/12 at 10:05 am to timlan2057
Norm Van Brocklin was a career 54% thrower and no one questions his credentials. I'm not saying joe was as good as him (he wasn't) but his stats we're very good for the day. He was still an aiNT machine even by those standards.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 10:16 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
Rightly or wrongly, Joe Namath is seen as the figure most responsible for putting the perception of the old AFL teams on the same level as the old NFL teams. Rightly or wrongly, perception still means something in these discussions.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 10:20 am to SaintCajun
this thread is pathetic.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 10:21 am to Kafka
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Fran Tarkenton
My favorite quote for a defensive end on how to sack Fran Tarkenton:
"When he makes you miss him just stay where you are. He'll be coming back."
Posted on 12/21/12 at 10:29 am to Dire Wolf
You obviously never saw him play when he was healthy. He was the best QB on the planet by a noticeable margin for a couple seasons, and he made the merger of the AFL and NFL desireable for both leagues. Those don't show up on the stat sheet, but the sportswriters on the Hall of Fame Selection Committee understood his impact on the game when they voted him into the Hall of Fame.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 10:38 am to Poodlebrain
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You obviously never saw him play when he was healthy.
I saw him play at Alabama. He was a very good running QB. Hard to believe since most people saw him barely able to walk.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 10:43 am to RollTide1987
quote:
I also think Joe Namath is in the Hall of Fame because he was the NFL's first true celebrity player. A lot of people don't know this, but there was a time where college football was much more popular than the NFL. Namath was one of the first personalities to come along to help buck that trend. He gave the NFL some much needed swagger.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 10:48 am to Kafka
quote:
Fran Tarkenton
Lol is this a serious statement? Tarkenton is one of the most underrated not overrated players.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 10:56 am to Dire Wolf
He only had 2 years where he threw more TDs than INTs... Nuts
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