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re: Whose better: Bobby Cox or Tony La Russa?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 7:38 pm to TexasTiger08
Posted on 7/19/21 at 7:38 pm to TexasTiger08
Chipper was the only hitter who consistently showed up in the playoffs. Surprisingly, Lemke is the other one who usually hit well in October. Outside of that one grand slam in Game 4 that hasn't landed yet, Galarraga disappeared in the 1998 NLCS. That was maybe the most disappointing hitting performance for any Braves hitter in the playoffs during that era.
As for the pitching, Smoltz was a historically great (and criminally underrated) playoff pitcher. Maddux and Glavine certainly had their playoff moments, but they both underwhelmed at times too. I always thought the strike zone got just a wee bit smaller for them in the playoffs, and their stuff was much more hittable if they missed over the plate.
As for the pitching, Smoltz was a historically great (and criminally underrated) playoff pitcher. Maddux and Glavine certainly had their playoff moments, but they both underwhelmed at times too. I always thought the strike zone got just a wee bit smaller for them in the playoffs, and their stuff was much more hittable if they missed over the plate.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 7:41 pm
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Posted on 7/19/21 at 8:05 pm to VADawg
quote:may be the only one you remember Grissom, McGriff, Jones, Javy, Klesko all performed in the playoffs. They don't have that signature hit but they performed close to their season normal throughout their playoff history.
Chipper was the only hitter who consistently showed up in the playoffs
Boone was fantastic in 99 as well. Galaragga didn't do squat, Jordan didn't really help and the Braves had a lot of defensive first players during the '90s
Posted on 7/19/21 at 8:54 pm to VADawg
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Chipper was the only hitter who consistently showed up in the playoffs. Surprisingly, Lemke is the other one who usually hit well in October.
That doesn’t mean they had bad lineups. It means they choked.
But…let’s dig deeper:
1993 NLCS: Phils win in 6, but Braves outscore Philly 33-23 and outhit them 59-47 en route to a .274 series average.
1996 WS: Yanks win in 6, but Braves outscore NY 26-18 and outhit them 51-43. McGriff (a career .303 postseason hitter) bats .300 with 2 homers, but is upstaged by rookie Andrew Jones who hits .400 with 2 homers. Jones is a career .273 postseason hitter. His slugging isn’t exactly killer, but he was 19 points higher in the average dept from his regular season numbers.
1997 NLCS: Marlins win in 6. Again, Braves outscore the opposition for the series, this time 21-20. Atlanta outhits Florida 49-36, out-homers FL 6-1. McGriff hits .333, Blauser hits .300, and Keith Lockhart has an OPS of 1.243 in 16 ABs.
1998 NLCS: Padres over Braves in 6. SD outhits and outscores Atlanta. Javy Lopez and Michael Tucker are the big hitters for the Braves. ATL doesn’t exactly get hammered in hitting categories for the series.
1999 WS: Yanks sweep Braves. Complete domination.
That’s where we see a shift in the series the Braves lose. They were dominated by the Cards in 2000.
2001 DBacks were clearly a better team than the Braves, and nobody was getting by their 1-2 punch.
2002 NLDS: Giants win in 5. Braves score 26 runs on 44 hits. Giants score 24 on 41. Lockhart, Lopez, and Vinny Castilla all have OPS over 1.000.
2003 NLDS: Cubs in 5. Aggregate score tied going into deciding game. Chipper goes 3-18, albeit with 2 HR.
2004 NLDS: Astros over Braves in 5. Astros crush at the plate. Chipper gets 4 hits. Andruw Jones has a monster series with OPS over 1.5. Furcal gets 8 hits, including 2 HR and a 3B.
2005 NLDS: Astros in 4. Statistically, the series is closer. Chipper goes 3-17. Andruw hits .471 with a HR and 3 doubles.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 4:08 am to TexasTiger08
Some people forget that Bobby Cox Cox punched his wife Pamela in the face and pulled her hair during an argument in 1995.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 12:30 pm to RD Dawg
I love these baseball boards. I don't fault Cox, his teams had no depth, including the 93 team. He had to rely on guys like Pecota on the bench lol. His relievers were inferior to the phillies, and offense as a whole too. Ron Gant was a top player, not good. Their starting pitching was definitely the best unit, but the dropoff was fast after that. Phillies had great years from many players in 93, including arguably the best playoff pitcher Schilling.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 12:38 pm to danilo
Odd bump, but Bobby Cox did less with more than anyone. Atlanta's starting rotation was one of the best of all time during the mid 90s. His only in game move was the double switch that commonly bit him in the arse. Possibly one of the worst in-game managers of all-time. Ron Washington is in that category also.
This post was edited on 1/10/24 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 1/10/24 at 1:20 pm to wareaglepete
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1992 and 1999, the Blue Jays and Yanks were just better teams.
1999 didn't help when the Braves did everything they could to nearly blow a 3-0 lead in the NLCS against the Mets. The Yankees earned that WS win, but it shouldn't have been a sweep.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 2:00 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
La Russa probably wins 3-4 titles with those 90’s- early 2000’s Braves teams.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 2:16 pm to rebel cat
Tony lost to the worst World Series lineup of all-time in 5 games. The 1988 Dodgers.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 2:22 pm to Tangineck
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Does anyone really believe that LaRussa wouldn't have won multiple World Series with the 90's Braves rosters?
LaRussa only won one with the A's, they should have been a dynasty. That said LaRussa was the better of the two
Posted on 1/10/24 at 4:17 pm to rebel cat
Obviously Bobby
Posted on 1/10/24 at 6:00 pm to rebel cat
Can anyone in here tell me exactly how La Russa “turned scraps into all star relievers”?
Was he the pitching coach as well as head trainer ?
Baseball people must admit that the sport is so random, you can have a hard time categorizing greatness of players due to short hot streaks or long slumps in a career.
But suddenly the head coach on the bench made them into a monster ?
Was he the pitching coach as well as head trainer ?
Baseball people must admit that the sport is so random, you can have a hard time categorizing greatness of players due to short hot streaks or long slumps in a career.
But suddenly the head coach on the bench made them into a monster ?
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