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re: Will Nebraska football ever make a comeback?
Posted on 4/12/20 at 6:58 pm to 91TIGER
Posted on 4/12/20 at 6:58 pm to 91TIGER
The second picture of the Lady Texhsters has an interesting fact. Four people in it have won women's NCAA basketball championships as head coach.
Sonja Hogg at Tech. She left and Leon Barmore won at Tech. Gary Blair won at Texas A&M. Kim Mulkey won at Baylor.
Sonja Hogg at Tech. She left and Leon Barmore won at Tech. Gary Blair won at Texas A&M. Kim Mulkey won at Baylor.
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Posted on 4/12/20 at 7:16 pm to bgator85
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Even Saban and Urban have to coach where the recruits are, and that ain’t in Lincoln.
Yep, big reason Meyer ended up in Gainesville over South Bend.
Saban was just an average coach.
But then he leaves MSU and suddenly he's at LSU and oh, shite, this State has a frickload of talent.
Then he fails in Miami.
Then he goes to Alabama and recruits the entire South.
Geology might be about time and pressure but coaching is certainly about time and geography.
Big10 was huge in the 60's and 70's with all the black flight from Jim Crow South.
But then the SEC desegregated...and the talent came back to the South.
Osborne rode the wave of black players leaving the South in droves in the 70's from his predecessor.
When the 80's hit he could win everything but bowl games and the Natty. 2-8-1 in bowl games. The talent had shifted.
He saw the writing on the wall...and decided to take every player no other school wanted because they couldn't qualify academically or had criminal records.
His handling of the Lawrence Phillips crime was shameless.
Once the SEC became dominant, like at no time in its history, Nebraska was done.
This post was edited on 4/12/20 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:08 pm to tiger perry
With the right coach yes but that can be said with any program
Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:00 am to MsState of mind
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Such a ridiculous take. LSU was not NC good for several decades. All it takes it the right guy and administration.
There’s more to it that that
As a kid it was New Orleans native Neil Smith playing for Nebraska that made me wonder, a) why didn’t he (and some other guys) from La go to LSU and b) how good could LSU be if they kept all the talent in state. 3 titles later...Now we know
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:05 am to tiger perry
quote:I'm going to go against the grain, and say yes.
They were a power in the 70s, 80s, and 90s? Can the right coach restore them?
They'd need to first regain respectability, and then focus on playing very smart/well-coached in style. Don't go for flash, establish that you will improve and become very sound players if you go there. You want to develop and become draft prospects. Once that occurs, then the tradition will start to filter back in.
Recruiting's a national game. Burrow was from Ohio, Tua's from Hawaii.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:26 am to Scoob
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Recruiting's a national game.
Nothing new. Has been for years. Look at Tennessee’s roster from 1998. They had players from over 15 different states.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:53 am to lynxcat
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No. There isn’t enough talent in the area to become a perennial power. They would have to get their hands pretty dirty in recruiting players nationally to get the necessary talent to move to Lincoln each year.
That was what they were doing before as well! Never got caught!
Posted on 4/13/20 at 2:01 am to tiger perry
No. frick dem
Posted on 4/13/20 at 2:13 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Nebraska was a power until two things were taken away from them.
1. The "preferred walk-on" loophole. Wealthy Nebraska alums would pay for everything for Nebraska walkon players that would otherwise have scholarships. Outlawed in 1996.
2. Partial qualifier and non-qualifier limitation. The Big 12 limited this to 2 per school in 1996.
Is there any surprise that Tom Osborne retired after 1997, when he saw the writing on the wall?
Missouri struggled to keep their own homegrown players from going elsewhere. The reason for that Missouri were not cheating like Nebraska and others.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:15 am to Scoob
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Recruiting's a national game. Burrow was from Ohio, Tua's from Hawaii.
This is not completely accurate. Most of Florida and Georgia's players come from those two states. Likewise, most of Oklahoma's players come from Texas and I would wager most of LSU's come from the Bayou State. Alabama, Auburn, and Clemson routinely raid Georgia (particularly Atlanta) and Florida, and have for pretty much their entire history. If anything, Alabama signing Tua and Burrow going to Baton Rouge is the anomaly or exception and not the general rule.
Some programs are just much closer, geographically, to big numbers of elite talent. Nebraska has never been in that number, and never will be.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 7:16 am
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:12 am to Tornado Alley
My best buddy is a huge Nebraska fan. I’ve spent a couple of Saturday nights up in Lincoln and it’s a great town/campus. The fan support is A+. That said, I bite my tongue around his crew all of the time. They still evaluate the program as a whole like they are an elite level team. Their ceiling, like others have mentioned, is to be some mix of what Michigan State, Iowa, and Wisconsin have been over the last 15 years. Unfortunately for Nebraska, their better days are behind them.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:34 am to TechBullDawg
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Kim Mulkey
Isn’t that Kramer Robertson’s mom?
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:56 am to Lock,Stock
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Nebraska can’t win a national title in the current age of college football. You can’t convince me otherwise. They don’t have the recruiting base and the “advantages” that they had in the past like other posters mentioned. At full strength I think they are capable of 9-10 win seasons but the program isn’t consistent enough to maintain that.
Bo Pelini never won less than 9 games in his 7 years as head coach, I would say that's pretty consistent.
Nebraska has been pulling in top 15-20 classes for a few years now, despite a dogshit record. Mike Riley was a godawful coach, but I think that if Nebraska can get some momentum going these next few years there is no reason they can't get back to a consistent 9 or 10 win team with an outside shot at the playoff every decade. Obviously won't ever replicate the 90's, but that's a pretty damn high bar
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:04 am to Scoob
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recruiting's a national game. Burrow was from Ohio, Tua's from Hawaii.
Now do the rest of the roster. Most of LSU's players come from La, Texas and other nearby states. Same with Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State etc all have a home recruiting base they can rely on
QB Recruiting is a little different however, Burrow is from Ohio and signed with Ohio State, he transferred after graduating. Tua is from a state that has no P5 program, so he was going to have to go out of state, typically he'd be a Pac12 school, but Bama and Clemson is getting this way, like past dynasty's do start to get more national recruits.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:09 am to ClampClampington
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Bo Pelini never won less than 9 games in his 7 years as head coach, I would say that's pretty consistent.
Nebraska has been pulling in top 15-20 classes for a few years now, despite a dogshit record. Mike Riley was a godawful coach, but I think that if Nebraska can get some momentum going these next few years there is no reason they can't get back to a consistent 9 or 10 win team with an outside shot at the playoff every decade. Obviously won't ever replicate the 90's, but that's a pretty damn high bar
Fair enough, the administration doesn't seem to have the patience though. It will be interesting to see how long they put up with the golden boy Frost if he doesn't find success quickly.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 11:10 am
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:45 am to Lock,Stock
Good, bad, or indifferent, Moos (AD) seems to beat to his own drum. I think Frost gets 2 more years before the heat gets to previous levels. That really isn't a lot of time in the grand scheme though. I agree it'll be interesting, but not in a good way if there isn't a turnaround
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:48 am to Waffle House
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They would need an unbelievable difference making QB that grew up wanting to play for them to come in and bring their offense into the 21st century.
His name was Joe Burrow, and they didn’t want him
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:57 am to tiger perry
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Will Nebraska football ever make a comeback?
It's certainly possible. A lot of people talk about Nebraska's location being a deterrent to potential blue chip recruits, but fail to take into account their mindset. They want someone who will prepare them for the NFL. If you get a coach with a proven pedigree of doing just that in Lincoln, I guarantee you they will start pulling more and more four and five star athletes.
Before 2008, many people were asking the same questions about Alabama that they're asking of Nebraska now. All Nebraska needs is a good recruiter who can put together a solid staff and they will be back in the running.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:58 am to OldNo.7
Hindsight's 20/20, Nebraska already had 2 very highly recruited freshmen battling for the starting job in spring camp. Bringing in a transfer that late guarantees one or both of your future qb's transfers
Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:22 pm to ClampClampington
I don’t disagree. It’s a moot point anyway, as you mentioned Nebraska hasn’t run the triple option since 2000.
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