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re: Daredevil is Boring
Posted on 5/13/15 at 3:24 pm to nicholastiger
Posted on 5/13/15 at 3:24 pm to nicholastiger
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All the tv version of superhero shows are boring.
They all have different styles and pacing. If you're bored by all of them then I'm guessing that you're not into superheroes at all. Which makes me wonder why you'd watch them in the first place.
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Posted on 5/13/15 at 3:27 pm to wildtigercat93
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Kind of weird watching a superhero get the absolute dogshit beat out of him for 70 percent of the episodes
have you seen Arrow? It's like 2/3rds of the world can simply catch his arrows in their hands.. making his "feature skill" pretty jukking lame.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 3:54 pm to Bamatab
Well, Matt doesn't put on the Daredevil costume until the final 30 minutes of the season, so I think its safe to say both of these versions of the characters are somewhat pre-textual. Matt isn't Daredevil yet and Fisk isn't Kingpin yet, until the end of the season.
And if they make Karen a heroin-addicted porn star, that will be the single worst decision this show could make. The comics spent a good decade trying to live that horrible storyline down.
Frank Miller's treatment of women has always been problematic at best, so it's nice to see the show building off of the comics that had stronger female characters. Daredevil has always been one of the worst offenders at fridging its female cast, and the show has largely avoided that trap. In fact, it instead fridged Ben (killing or harming a supporting character so that a main character may experience "growth").
In fact, the prime mover of the action in the series is Karen. She makes some spectacularly poor choices, but at least she's able to make her own choices.
And if they make Karen a heroin-addicted porn star, that will be the single worst decision this show could make. The comics spent a good decade trying to live that horrible storyline down.
Frank Miller's treatment of women has always been problematic at best, so it's nice to see the show building off of the comics that had stronger female characters. Daredevil has always been one of the worst offenders at fridging its female cast, and the show has largely avoided that trap. In fact, it instead fridged Ben (killing or harming a supporting character so that a main character may experience "growth").
In fact, the prime mover of the action in the series is Karen. She makes some spectacularly poor choices, but at least she's able to make her own choices.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 3:57 pm to Jagd Tiger
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quote: Kind of weird watching a superhero get the absolute dogshit beat out of him for 70 percent of the episodes have you seen Arrow? It's like 2/3rds of the world can simply catch his arrows in their hands.. making his "feature skill" pretty jukking lame.
I have not but it doesn't sound it I'd like it
My parents watch it and it seems like I'm in the room, the entire episode is just them talking about stuff
Posted on 5/13/15 at 4:01 pm to Baloo
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I agree that this Kingpin is not the one in the comics. I further agree that he is emotionally stunted and childish (he even orders a kid's dessert at the Italian restaurant). However, I really liked the changes to Kingpin. I thought they made him a better, and more interesting character. It also made him a more explicitly counterpoint to Matt Murdock, and how they related to their violent fathers.
One of the big things the series goes into is that Fisk has all of this money and power to buy the finest things, but he lacks sophistication to appreciate those finer things. He wears the same suit. He wears his father's cufflinks. He makes a plain omelet with all of his fancy cooking stuff. Wilson Fisk is a pretty simple man, and still very much that child staring at the wall. He doesn't become KINGPIN until Vanessa comes along. It is Vanessa who truly makes him the criminal mastermind we know in the comics.
Vanessa broadens his tastes but also gives him the veneer of sophistication. She completes that missing part of him. He doesn't become a public face without her pushing it. That was her plan. The show is setting up that the true power of the Kingpin is not Fisk, but Vanessa (which IS textual in Brubaker's DD)
You did read this right?
AV Club
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Indeed the final character struggling with issues of masculinity—and the person responsible for killing Ben and the Russian brothers—is yet another white man: crime boss Wilson Fisk (a superb Vincent D’Onofrio). As is often the case in both prestige dramas and superhero stories, Fisk is the villainous flipside of heroic Matt Murdock. Both were raised in Hell’s Kitchen poverty, both want to help their city, and both realize they need to work outside the legal system to do so. But while the former chooses small-scale vigilante justice, the latter seeks to control the city as a crime lord.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 4:04 pm to goatmilker
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Then its not for you. Its not slam bam bang pew pew kill kill type stuff.
Did you really try the TV snob card for a superhero show?
Posted on 5/13/15 at 4:22 pm to Freauxzen
From the AV club article:
But he didn't win every fight.
Okay, but what about the fact that Ben wasn't even black in the comics? Or that the only honest cop was black?
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it rings slightly hollow that he’s continually able to emerge victorious and stick to his no-killing policy.
But he didn't win every fight.
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Ben’s death means the show has no prominent men of color going forward in season two, which feels like a major oversight for a series focused on inner city poverty.
Okay, but what about the fact that Ben wasn't even black in the comics? Or that the only honest cop was black?
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 5/13/15 at 4:28 pm to Salmon
quote:No. No it doesn't. Not at all.
like I said, try to finish it
it gets better towards the end
Posted on 5/13/15 at 4:39 pm to Freauxzen
I did read it. And while I won't deny the show (and the comic, especially) are about masculinity and what makes a man, I think it doesn't give the show enough credit for A) two sympathetic main male characters due to how they define masculinity and B) the roles women play on the show.
I mean, Marvel has taken some well-deserved shots on its treatment of women (and undeserved ones as well). We'll get two movies starring a talking raccoon before one movie about a female superhero. That's insane, especially given how good Marvel is at attracting female readers for its comics and putting female characters at the forefront of their written stories.
But Daredevil's women are the backbone of the show. Karen is the driver of all action and its her dogged pursuit of the truth that keeps the case alive and creates the central conflict. She's introduced as the victim of an assault, but she refuses to play the victim card and instead uses that as motivation to get revenge against people who deserve punishment. Madame Gao is clearly the most capable and feared of the mob bosses. Vanessa is Lady MacBeth, and is the controlling personality in her relationship with Fisk. Night Nurse is generally awesome because of Rosario Dawson reasons. Even Foggy's on again/off again girlfriend ends up showing surprising depth by the season's end.
For such a "masculine" show, it is the women who shaped the narrative.
I mean, Marvel has taken some well-deserved shots on its treatment of women (and undeserved ones as well). We'll get two movies starring a talking raccoon before one movie about a female superhero. That's insane, especially given how good Marvel is at attracting female readers for its comics and putting female characters at the forefront of their written stories.
But Daredevil's women are the backbone of the show. Karen is the driver of all action and its her dogged pursuit of the truth that keeps the case alive and creates the central conflict. She's introduced as the victim of an assault, but she refuses to play the victim card and instead uses that as motivation to get revenge against people who deserve punishment. Madame Gao is clearly the most capable and feared of the mob bosses. Vanessa is Lady MacBeth, and is the controlling personality in her relationship with Fisk. Night Nurse is generally awesome because of Rosario Dawson reasons. Even Foggy's on again/off again girlfriend ends up showing surprising depth by the season's end.
For such a "masculine" show, it is the women who shaped the narrative.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 5:24 pm to BulldogXero
Posted on 5/13/15 at 5:28 pm to boom roasted
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Or, brace yourself, OP has different tastes than you.
My tastes are better than his.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 6:56 pm to BulldogXero
I like it but he seems to get his arse beat an extraordinary amount. I get that he's not Hulk, but Arrow doesn't get owned this much.
And Karen is distractingly ugly.
And Karen is distractingly ugly.
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 5/13/15 at 7:09 pm to biglego
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And Karen is distractingly ugly.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 7:19 pm to biglego
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And Karen is distractingly ugly.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 7:24 pm to Dr RC
He must think Karen is the Hispanic disgruntled tenant
Posted on 5/13/15 at 7:41 pm to biglego
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I like it but he seems to get his arse beat an extraordinary amount. I get that he's not Hulk, but Arrow doesn't get owned this much.
Well doesn't it make it more realistic that he doesn't always come out unscathed? Taking on a half dozen guys at once and to not get a little beat up is not realistic. And to be fair, the Arrow uses his arrows to take down half his opponents anyway while DD rarely uses any weapons.
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And Karen is distractingly ugly.
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 5/13/15 at 8:17 pm to Speedy G
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And Foggy is not a good actor.
Probably why the only other noteworthy role he's ever had was as a kid 20+ years ago. He played Fulton, the original bash brother in The Mighty Ducks.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 8:20 pm to BowlJackson
Wasn't he in the Butterfly Effect as well?
Posted on 5/13/15 at 8:29 pm to tduecen
You're right, forgot about him in that. I love that movie. I wonder what happened to him? He was great in Butterfly Effect but he really is terrible in Daredevil.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 8:36 pm to BowlJackson
Foggys ex girlfriend is pretty 
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