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re: The Prometheus (Major Spoiler) Discussion Thread
Posted on 6/16/12 at 5:54 pm to Pectus
Posted on 6/16/12 at 5:54 pm to Pectus
I didn't read all of this thread but i just got back from seeing Prometheus and i wanted to jot down some of my ideas as to what was happening.
I know a lot of people were saying they were let down because it didn't show exactly where the xenomorphs originated. here is my theory.
In the beginning, the movie showed an engineer on earth (at least we are lead to believe earth, not sure it was explicitly stated) drinking the black liquid/organism that was in the vase (again, this is an assumption). The engineer then decomposed into the waterfall and recombined with elements already present to form intelligent life. I don't think this was the origin of all life on earth, but just human life, and i will explain why.
When the team first stumbles into the room with the vases of liquid they show small worms on the ground. I think these worms are the indigenous life of the planet and not created by the engineers. the vases then melt (my theory is that atmospheric conditions lead to this when the door opened) and the team leaves with one of the vases (frickin robots). When the two that were left behind (biologist and geologist) go back into the room, the melted vases have attached to the worms, broken them down to basic components and recombined to create those snake like things (similar to the form of the worms) much like what happened to the engineer on earth.
no on to other thoughts. My first thought was "why did the robot poison shaw's boyfriend?" but it later hit me that he was essentially running an experiment to see what the black liquid in the vase did. and as we saw, it started to decompose him much like the engineer (although i am a little confused as to why it took so much longer, maybe because he only ingested one if them rather than a cup full).
Another thing that confused me was the pregnancy. I think Scott just used the "Alien" pregnancy way to relate the movies a bit. The pregnancy totally defies the way we are lead to believe the black goo works. She did not decompose. She did not recombine. She simply gave birth to an octopus (that totally defies the law of conservation of mass. How the frick did it get so big???).
As far as the religious theory about christianity being the reason the engineers wanted to kill humans, i guess that is as good a theory as any. my theories are that the engineers had weaponized the black goo and wanted to test it out on earth before they used it on their enemies, or maybe they just ran out of blank planets and wanted to try again but in order to do that, they had to erase the slate so to speak. Again, any theory is just that until the director's cut comes out... in 20 years.
Review: I very much enjoyed this movie. I thought the effects were great, i love that it made me think, and i thought they cast it very well. I can easily see how it could have been rated PG-13 as originally intended, but i think they made the right choice to show those gruesome parts. I was squirming a bit during the alien abortion. After reading a bunch of so-so reviews about this, i was not expecting much and because of that i was pleasantly surprised. 8/10
Sorry for the TL;DR crowd... it took more than i thought it would to explain my thoughts on this one.
I know a lot of people were saying they were let down because it didn't show exactly where the xenomorphs originated. here is my theory.
In the beginning, the movie showed an engineer on earth (at least we are lead to believe earth, not sure it was explicitly stated) drinking the black liquid/organism that was in the vase (again, this is an assumption). The engineer then decomposed into the waterfall and recombined with elements already present to form intelligent life. I don't think this was the origin of all life on earth, but just human life, and i will explain why.
When the team first stumbles into the room with the vases of liquid they show small worms on the ground. I think these worms are the indigenous life of the planet and not created by the engineers. the vases then melt (my theory is that atmospheric conditions lead to this when the door opened) and the team leaves with one of the vases (frickin robots). When the two that were left behind (biologist and geologist) go back into the room, the melted vases have attached to the worms, broken them down to basic components and recombined to create those snake like things (similar to the form of the worms) much like what happened to the engineer on earth.
no on to other thoughts. My first thought was "why did the robot poison shaw's boyfriend?" but it later hit me that he was essentially running an experiment to see what the black liquid in the vase did. and as we saw, it started to decompose him much like the engineer (although i am a little confused as to why it took so much longer, maybe because he only ingested one if them rather than a cup full).
Another thing that confused me was the pregnancy. I think Scott just used the "Alien" pregnancy way to relate the movies a bit. The pregnancy totally defies the way we are lead to believe the black goo works. She did not decompose. She did not recombine. She simply gave birth to an octopus (that totally defies the law of conservation of mass. How the frick did it get so big???).
As far as the religious theory about christianity being the reason the engineers wanted to kill humans, i guess that is as good a theory as any. my theories are that the engineers had weaponized the black goo and wanted to test it out on earth before they used it on their enemies, or maybe they just ran out of blank planets and wanted to try again but in order to do that, they had to erase the slate so to speak. Again, any theory is just that until the director's cut comes out... in 20 years.
Review: I very much enjoyed this movie. I thought the effects were great, i love that it made me think, and i thought they cast it very well. I can easily see how it could have been rated PG-13 as originally intended, but i think they made the right choice to show those gruesome parts. I was squirming a bit during the alien abortion. After reading a bunch of so-so reviews about this, i was not expecting much and because of that i was pleasantly surprised. 8/10
Sorry for the TL;DR crowd... it took more than i thought it would to explain my thoughts on this one.
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Posted on 6/17/12 at 12:25 am to The312
quote:
Why were the Engineers "inviting" humanity to what was apparently a weapons depot (or at least the system where a weapons depot was located) if they could have just demolished earth at any point in time, as they apparently intended to do? What's the purpose of the invitation?
Excellent review The312. I think this is the biggest plot hole. All else can, and probably will be explained in the next installment.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 12:48 am to Lacour
quote:
Movie sucked.
I was looking forward to this movie for months.
We were wrong. WE WERE SO WRONG!!!!
This post was edited on 6/17/12 at 12:59 am
Posted on 6/17/12 at 1:01 am to Draconian Sanctions
I think Shaw wholly misinterpreted the messages (if they were even messages). There was no invitation, and these are the same scientists that take their helmets off on an unknown world, and Shaw doesn't bother to mention a fricking alien was extracted from her and resides in Vickers' humble abode.
And Guy Pearce's old age make-up is some of the worst I've ever seen in a big budget film; was it too much to cast, ya know, a fricking old person?
And Guy Pearce's old age make-up is some of the worst I've ever seen in a big budget film; was it too much to cast, ya know, a fricking old person?
This post was edited on 6/17/12 at 4:14 am
Posted on 6/17/12 at 3:55 am to JombieZombie
I'm glad I came here for a discussion of the movie yet found a thread tearing it down. The Movie/TV board does what it does.
Thanks guys.
Thanks guys.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 4:16 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
You can't discuss this movie without talking about its massive problems. It's a conceptual and thematic failure.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 7:03 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
quote:
I'm glad I came here for a discussion of the movie yet found a thread tearing it down. The Movie/TV board does what it does. Thanks guys.
Find jdowdie
Dude is all about discussing how deep and profound the movie is.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 10:26 am to GeauxUtes
quote:
why did the Engineers want to destroy life on Earth?
The theory we came up with was Christianity
My problem with this theory is, Christ lived and died roughly 2000 years or 2100 years before the events in this movie, but Christianity did not become a major religion until 300 years later.
And I seen other mention this, but there were other religions long before that. Why weren't they upset about Judaism? That started 3000 years earlier.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 11:03 am to H-Town Tiger
Has it been discussed how conveniently close the alien planet was?
It only took 2 years to get there??? tha frick?
It only took 2 years to get there??? tha frick?
Posted on 6/17/12 at 11:11 am to JombieZombie
quote:I thought this was pretty obvious.
I think Shaw wholly misinterpreted the messages (if they were even messages). There was no invitation,
Posted on 6/17/12 at 11:15 am to Displaced
quote:I thought this was all pretty obvious also.
In the beginning, the movie showed an engineer on earth (at least we are lead to believe earth, not sure it was explicitly stated) drinking the black liquid/organism that was in the vase (again, this is an assumption). The engineer then decomposed into the waterfall and recombined with elements already present to form intelligent life. I don't think this was the origin of all life on earth, but just human life, and i will explain why.
When the team first stumbles into the room with the vases of liquid they show small worms on the ground. I think these worms are the indigenous life of the planet and not created by the engineers. the vases then melt (my theory is that atmospheric conditions lead to this when the door opened) and the team leaves with one of the vases (frickin robots). When the two that were left behind (biologist and geologist) go back into the room, the melted vases have attached to the worms, broken them down to basic components and recombined to create those snake like things (similar to the form of the worms) much like what happened to the engineer on earth.
no on to other thoughts. My first thought was "why did the robot poison shaw's boyfriend?" but it later hit me that he was essentially running an experiment to see what the black liquid in the vase did. and as we saw, it started to decompose him much like the engineer (although i am a little confused as to why it took so much longer, maybe because he only ingested one if them rather than a cup full).
quote:First Alien movie does the same thing.
(that totally defies the law of conservation of mass. How the frick did it get so big???).
quote:It's retarded. There were other religions out there besides Christianity that had a much larger following 2,000 years ago. The OP and whomever agrees with his theory has no grasp of history.
As far as the religious theory about christianity being the reason the engineers wanted to kill humans
I thought all the religious injects (it was just one character) were just there for some character development and nothing else.
Most of the gripes I'm seeing in this thread are far from plot holes and much more along the lines of "That would never happen". A poor standard to hold movies to. I could come up with a 10 page paper on the stuff that would never happen and all the plot holes and bullshite in The Dark Knight.
This post was edited on 6/17/12 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/17/12 at 11:19 am to alajones
I liked how there was a debate on how the DNA couldn't make humans from the Engineer by the way it showed in the film.
It was obviously metaphorical.
And even if you want to get literal about it and put it in the context of the film, how dare we presume that we understand their engineering better than they do.
It was obviously metaphorical.
And even if you want to get literal about it and put it in the context of the film, how dare we presume that we understand their engineering better than they do.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 12:24 pm to alajones
quote:
It's retarded. There were other religions out there besides Christianity that had a much larger following 2,000 years ago. The OP and whomever agrees with his theory has no grasp of history.
Go find some of the links posted previously in this thread. Ridley Scott did an interview with movies.com where he said they originally planned to have Jesus be a representative of sorts for the aliens in a "children misbehaving kind of scenario." They backed off it because it was "too on the nose" as Scott put it but elements still remain.
And are you buthurt that Christianity was chosen over other religions? Don't be, Christ being an alien representative would have held much more sway than Buddha for example...at least for the target American audience.
This post was edited on 6/17/12 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 6/17/12 at 1:01 pm to Displaced
quote:
Another thing that confused me was the pregnancy. I think Scott just used the "Alien" pregnancy way to relate the movies a bit. The pregnancy totally defies the way we are lead to believe the black goo works. She did not decompose. She did not recombine. She simply gave birth to an octopus (that totally defies the law of conservation of mass. How the frick did it get so big???).
Why is the pregnancy hard to believe? Think about it. The black goo infected the embryo, not the woman.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 3:09 pm to JombieZombie
quote:
And Guy Pearce's old age make-up is some of the worst I've ever seen in a big budget film; was it too much to cast, ya know, a fricking old person?
I think they used makeup because they wanted EXTREME old age. It did look awful, though.
Prometheus is an example of a movie that was so close to being great that it leaves a worse taste in your mouth than it should.
The worse thing to me was the engineer waking up and turning into Jason Vorhees at the end.
A beautiful and thought-provoking movie, but its flaws left me feeling unfulfilled when it ended.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 3:24 pm to Master of Sinanju
quote:Na. Acid face being a superhuman zombie impervious to bullets was the biggest abomination in the film.
The worse thing to me was the engineer waking up and turning into Jason Vorhees at the end.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 3:46 pm to TigerMyth36
clusterfrick of a movie.
had some high points, and some very low points...already mentioned: zombie scene was unnecessary, open ended questions, Shaw performing a self surgery, then walking into weyland's room without incident...like it never happened.
how did ebert give this 4 stars and roeper name it one of the best films of the year, i have no fricking clue.
had some high points, and some very low points...already mentioned: zombie scene was unnecessary, open ended questions, Shaw performing a self surgery, then walking into weyland's room without incident...like it never happened.
how did ebert give this 4 stars and roeper name it one of the best films of the year, i have no fricking clue.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 3:50 pm to TigerMyth36
quote:
Na. Acid face being a superhuman zombie impervious to bullets was the biggest abomination in the film.
True, but I can forgive a needless action sequence easier than the climactic encounter with the "creator" turning out to be just another monster chasing the hot chick.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 5:18 pm to TigerMyth36
Not sure if this has been posted in this giant thread and siap but was reading this over the weekend after seeing movie.
LINK
Eta: sorry obviously posted already
quote:
With that bit now nice and explained, let's get to the bigger question -- what did we do to make God/our creators angry? Well, if you theorized that it was because we crucified Jesus, you win! Confirming that at one point the script explicitly spelled this out, Scott says that was the direction they were taking with the story -- at least at first. "We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose," he admits. "But if you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let’s send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."
quote:
So in short: Jesus was an Engineer, we fricked it up by killing him, our creators got mad and then hatched a really, really long and elaborate plan to kill us off. So in a weird way, "The Passion Of The Christ" could also be viewed as part of the "Alien" universe.... if you really think about it.... Or, after that, the Engineers simply abandoned humanity, we evolved, and they got pissed all over again when we came knocking on their door. But it pretty much fits in line with what Lindelof said during press rounds for the film: "I'm all for ambiguity, but if we didn't know the answer to that one, the audience would have every right to string us up. Yes. There is an answer. One that is hinted at within the goalposts of 'Prometheus.' I'll bet if I asked you to take a guess you wouldn't be far off."
LINK
Eta: sorry obviously posted already
This post was edited on 6/17/12 at 5:24 pm
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