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re: The Prometheus (Major Spoiler) Discussion Thread
Posted on 6/17/12 at 6:27 pm to St Augustine
Posted on 6/17/12 at 6:27 pm to St Augustine
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my theories are that the engineers had weaponized the black goo and wanted to test it out on earth before they used it on their enemies
Thus linking us to the Xfiles aliens/movies???
Aside from all the "serious" questions about Prometheus, what about this--in EVERY Alien movie, the crew seems to be comprised of a couple of scientists who are fairly stable, and a BUNCH of undiscipline, stone-headed, complain-about-everything, misfits.
If our Apollo astronouts had to go through so many months of physical/psychological testing, why do they let losers up in space in this series?
From the whacked-out geologist in this one (I like rocks, and I don't see any rocks here! I'm going back to the ship!
) to Bill Paxton's whiny excuse for a space marine in Aliens. I would expect well-trained, disciplined folks.
Also--a long space journey, and half of them don't know each other til they wake up at the planet? C'mon Man!
However, I DID like the movie--fabulous in 3-D Imax. Dr. Shaw and David going off to discover the aliens' homeworld could be the seed for something great in the future...
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Posted on 6/17/12 at 6:47 pm to parrotdr
quote:Why do you think this? One of their ships arriving from a quarantined world would probably be a quick movie as the ship is destroyed the second it gets into range of the alien homeworld orbital weapon array.
Dr. Shaw and David going off to discover the aliens' homeworld could be the seed for something great in the future...
I still think it is beyond stupid that she said she still wants answers. What part of the survivor ripping everyone to shreds makes her think the aliens will be all rainbows and unicorns when she arrives on their homeworld?
Posted on 6/17/12 at 7:44 pm to parrotdr
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to Bill Paxton's whiny excuse for a space marine in Aliens
You watch your whore mouth, bad mouthing Hudson
Posted on 6/17/12 at 7:46 pm to GeauxUtes
quote:My thoughts are why did I waste money on this horrible, horrible movie.
Thoughts?
Posted on 6/17/12 at 8:03 pm to TigerMyth36
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What part of the survivor ripping everyone to shreds makes her think the aliens will be all rainbows and unicorns when she arrives on their homeworld?
I think after the death of her loved one and inability to have a child, Shaw no longer cared about living--she was already dead, so she might as well satisfy her curiosity (pride/curiosity, an especially human trait).
Posted on 6/17/12 at 8:12 pm to shutterspeed
No. She said she still wanted answers which is absolutely ridiculous to think she could get them from the home world given the instant violent reaction from the survivor.
I think it would have been far better and believable if she said she wanted to take the goo to dispose of the Engineers. That would make sense. Kill them before they kill us.
Sorry but thinking she is going to get any kind of answers is just plain silly and not even remotely believable under any context.
I think it would have been far better and believable if she said she wanted to take the goo to dispose of the Engineers. That would make sense. Kill them before they kill us.
Sorry but thinking she is going to get any kind of answers is just plain silly and not even remotely believable under any context.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 8:14 pm to TigerMyth36
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No. She said she still wanted answers which is absolutely ridiculous to think she could get them from the home world given the instant violent reaction from the survivor.
I think it would have been far better and believable if she said she wanted to take the goo to dispose of the Engineers. That would make sense. Kill them before they kill us.
I think you're looking into her words a little too literally. Her emotion seemed to be one of "I'm not letting these frickers get off the hook that easily." I think she was really after vengeance and any scientific discovery along the way would be an added bonus. So, basically, I think she winds up doing exactly what you said she should be doing.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 8:58 pm to shutterspeed
All the philosophical build up to the scene in which they face the engineer and beg the big life questions... and he acts like a WWE wrestler.
Posted on 6/17/12 at 9:01 pm to JombieZombie
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and he acts like a WWE wrestler.
Can't argue with you there. An imperfect movie, no doubt, but an interesting and worthwhile one to me. Posted on 6/17/12 at 9:48 pm to TigerMyth36
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Sorry but thinking she is going to get any kind of answers is just plain silly and not even remotely believable under any context.
Why? Why do we assume an alien civilization would all act the same and basically agree on everything? An advanced civilization like that would have to large and diverse. Also, wasn't the guy there for 2000 years? How would say one of the top officers from a Roman legion act if he was frozen for 2000 years? Would we assume that all of modern humanity to act the exact same way? And she's going there in one of their vessels. Would the US automatically open fire if suddenly some mystery Roman Galley, or an 18th century ship or even a WWI era ship showed up? Of course we don't know if 2000 earth years for us is the same for them, but still you'd think they advanced a little. Maybe not every one on their home world agreed with the plan to build these weapons and wipe out life on earth? Or maybe not all of them knew about?
I don't see why we should assume the current engineer race would just shoot her down. Hell, maybe they've all been wiped out already?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 6:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Sorry but thinking she is going to get any kind of answers is just plain silly and not even remotely believable under any context.
Why? Why do we assume an alien civilization would all act the same and basically agree on everything? An advanced civilization like that would have to large and diverse. Also, wasn't the guy there for 2000 years? How would say one of the top officers from a Roman legion act if he was frozen for 2000 years? Would we assume that all of modern humanity to act the exact same way? And she's going there in one of their vessels. Would the US automatically open fire if suddenly some mystery Roman Galley, or an 18th century ship or even a WWI era ship showed up? Of course we don't know if 2000 earth years for us is the same for them, but still you'd think they advanced a little. Maybe not every one on their home world agreed with the plan to build these weapons and wipe out life on earth? Or maybe not all of them knew about?
I don't see why we should assume the current engineer race would just shoot her down. Hell, maybe they've all been wiped out already?
exactly...go back to my post about the human crews in all these movies--half reasonable scientists, half raving lunatic, non-disciplined so-called "Marines". Totally different reactions to everything.
The real problem is...why are we dissecting this imaginary stuff so finely?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 7:55 pm to GeauxUtes
So I finally watched Aliens today. And basically was like watching the first half of promethius. I was surprised that the alien ship was the same and so was the jockey carcass.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 8:06 pm to Kracka
Apparently word of mouth was not positive.
1st weekend showed a good result but this past weekend saw a 60% drop.
For comparisons sake, Incredible Hulk saw a 61% dropoff and Hulk saw a 69% dropoff with a higher opening tally.
In the other direction scifi movies like Inception and Super 8 saw sub 40% dropoffs in their 2nd weekend.
1st weekend showed a good result but this past weekend saw a 60% drop.
For comparisons sake, Incredible Hulk saw a 61% dropoff and Hulk saw a 69% dropoff with a higher opening tally.
In the other direction scifi movies like Inception and Super 8 saw sub 40% dropoffs in their 2nd weekend.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 12:01 am to dr smartass phd
Was gonna read the whole thread but stopped here. Fascinating interpretation of the movie - I'm satisfied.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:08 pm to pleading the fifth
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Was gonna read the whole thread but stopped here. Fascinating interpretation of the movie - I'm satisfied.
very good take IMHO also, and a lot of neat explanations in this thread
But with a plethora of explanations out there, I'll give my $0.02.
The Engineers are asked to go spread life to planets. They do, and they spread life to Earth, and they visit occasionally to help guide us. However, they look at Earth and see people behaving badly. So, they say, "I think You need to send someone like them to show them what love and self-sacrifice are all about." He does. But they end up killing Him instead. A small group of Engineers become angry at this action. They feel that there is no hope left for us. They don't realize what His death has set into motion. They go to a far off desolate planet to produce mass amounts of the black goo. The home world discoverers this and sends another ship (remember, two ships on the planet) to stop them. A fight ensues (the holograms of engineers running back and forth). The "good" Engineers prevent the "bad" engineers from going to earth. The Humans wake that lone surviving bad engineer back up again. It tries to finish the mission but is stopped by the captain and crew who understand what self-sacrifice is all about.
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Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:19 am to evil cockroach
Finally saw it. Finally read this thread. I know I’m very late to the discussion, but I did find it interesting the early responders in this thread loved the movie, only to be drowned out by the second wave of posters, vilifying the film. I honestly really enjoyed the movie.
I don’t buy the Jesus theory entirely, though its clearly important given Shaw and David’s continued interaction over the crucifix. This film was a mediation on creation and religion, much like the first is about pregnancy and life giving.
But I think David is the key to this movie. When everyone is in hypersleep, we are introduced to him first. He is the character we meet first, and identify with originally. And we are constantly distanced from him as pretty much everyone, even his “father”, demeans him as not being really alive or as having less worth. He is a low order creation, only made “because we could.” And that is how the Engineers view us. They made us because they could, and like David, the creation could not be entirely controlled (and wanted to destroy their creators in order to be free).
I won’t claim to have the answers, but why couldn’t this be an invitation to destruction? Humans aren’t a threat until they try to meet their creators, and then try to become gods. The gods of Olympus overthrew the Titans and the humans eventually killed the Greek gods. The Engineers protected themselves by inviting their creation, who would eventually wish to overthrow and destroy them, to a place they would meet their own destruction. So long as the humans didn’t attempt to destroy their “gods”, the Engineers ignored them. As soon as they seek out their gods, they become a threat and must be destroyed.
As to some of the flaws people are picking out – most of them, I simply don’t care. The biologist wants to interact with the creature because that’s what he does. He’s a biologist and it’s his nature to be inquisitive about life. The helmet removal quite literally had no impact on the plot, and only existed so we didn’t have people with helmets on the whole movie. I’m totally fine with it. People acted irrationally? That’s a complaint, how? People act irrationally all the time. We aren’t robots. David is.
I don’t buy the Jesus theory entirely, though its clearly important given Shaw and David’s continued interaction over the crucifix. This film was a mediation on creation and religion, much like the first is about pregnancy and life giving.
But I think David is the key to this movie. When everyone is in hypersleep, we are introduced to him first. He is the character we meet first, and identify with originally. And we are constantly distanced from him as pretty much everyone, even his “father”, demeans him as not being really alive or as having less worth. He is a low order creation, only made “because we could.” And that is how the Engineers view us. They made us because they could, and like David, the creation could not be entirely controlled (and wanted to destroy their creators in order to be free).
I won’t claim to have the answers, but why couldn’t this be an invitation to destruction? Humans aren’t a threat until they try to meet their creators, and then try to become gods. The gods of Olympus overthrew the Titans and the humans eventually killed the Greek gods. The Engineers protected themselves by inviting their creation, who would eventually wish to overthrow and destroy them, to a place they would meet their own destruction. So long as the humans didn’t attempt to destroy their “gods”, the Engineers ignored them. As soon as they seek out their gods, they become a threat and must be destroyed.
As to some of the flaws people are picking out – most of them, I simply don’t care. The biologist wants to interact with the creature because that’s what he does. He’s a biologist and it’s his nature to be inquisitive about life. The helmet removal quite literally had no impact on the plot, and only existed so we didn’t have people with helmets on the whole movie. I’m totally fine with it. People acted irrationally? That’s a complaint, how? People act irrationally all the time. We aren’t robots. David is.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:28 am to Baloo
solid summary
i stopped keeping up with this thread after a while, the hate it was getting seemed rather unjustified
i stopped keeping up with this thread after a while, the hate it was getting seemed rather unjustified
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:29 am to Baloo
I agree a bout the nit picking. It's a little too much.
Why did he do that?
No one would ever do that.
Almost every movie could be nitpciked to death.
Do the firefighters in Backdraft wear facemasks and helmets? No. And everyone knows why.
I never got into the philosophical debates. I've always been one of those people that says "If the writer wants it in there, they put it in there" types. Obviously the Engineers had something to do with creating humans on earth and obviously the one they woke up wasn't to happy to see us. Lots of questions in between as far as the motivations and intentions of the Engineers.
Why did he do that?
No one would ever do that.
Almost every movie could be nitpciked to death.
Do the firefighters in Backdraft wear facemasks and helmets? No. And everyone knows why.
I never got into the philosophical debates. I've always been one of those people that says "If the writer wants it in there, they put it in there" types. Obviously the Engineers had something to do with creating humans on earth and obviously the one they woke up wasn't to happy to see us. Lots of questions in between as far as the motivations and intentions of the Engineers.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:33 am to alajones
I need to wade through this thread...finally saw the movie a could weeks ago. I liked it.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:42 am to alajones
I like the philosophical debates, and this seems like a movie set up to have those debates. But to get dragged down by details that a guy took of his helmet after we had about two minutes of dialog that the air is breathable... I just don't care. That's well within the realm of the suspension of disbelief.
The larger issues are of the meaning of religion and creation myths. Also, what is life? Is David alive? What is a soul? Why is his life less valuable?
The way the crew mistreats David made me truly identify with him and root for his eventual victory. I think he was morally justified experimenting on those that clearly gave his life no value. He did start to care about Shaw when she started to view him with concern (like when she apologizes for zipping the bag and she saves his lifeless torso). He is to people as people are to Engineers.
The larger issues are of the meaning of religion and creation myths. Also, what is life? Is David alive? What is a soul? Why is his life less valuable?
The way the crew mistreats David made me truly identify with him and root for his eventual victory. I think he was morally justified experimenting on those that clearly gave his life no value. He did start to care about Shaw when she started to view him with concern (like when she apologizes for zipping the bag and she saves his lifeless torso). He is to people as people are to Engineers.
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