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re: THR Article: Is Disney Bad at Star Wars? An Analysis
Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:23 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:23 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Wrong. Chapek simply followed the schedule Bob Iger setup.
No. I'm not wrong. But thank you for your interest.
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:37 pm to RLDSC FAN
Trying to turn Star Wars into a girl centric franchise set billions of dollars on fire .
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:01 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Is Disney Bad at Star Wars?
I don't think you can fairly call it them "being bad at SW" when it's almost purely intentional what they are doing. Creating weak SW stories and centering them around hyper-focused DEI/woke ideologies isn't "sucking at SW." It's shoehorning your progressive bullshite into a franchise that you know is popular in order to try to get more people onboard with your bullshite rhetoric.
We've seen examples of Disney succeeding at things (SW and otherwise) when they put their politics aside and focus on simply making a good story/movie. shite like The Force Awakens, Solo, and Rogue One are great Star Wars movies (Solo is vastly underrated). But then you have them trying to greenlight every single woke project possible, made by people who have no respect for the franchise, and you shove as much brow beating ideologies into them as you can possibly fit.......and then you sit back and wonder why it's failing. It's completely stupid.
But it's also 100% on purpose. So I don't think they are "bad at" it; I just think at some point they prioritized "the message" far more than the entertainment aspect of what they do, and so the quality of the content takes a nosedive off a cliff because of that.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:06 pm to CocomoLSU
I feel like if you look at the content in whole, it’s not overly woke.
there are project that are more “woke” than others.
Rogue One, Andor, The Mandolorian, Ahsoka. I dont think are particularly woke.
The Acolyte was woke in process, I don’t think the content was particularly woke. But the marketing and casting sure.
When you look at everything thought it’s not like there aren’t plenty of projects with straight male leads.
there are project that are more “woke” than others.
Rogue One, Andor, The Mandolorian, Ahsoka. I dont think are particularly woke.
The Acolyte was woke in process, I don’t think the content was particularly woke. But the marketing and casting sure.
When you look at everything thought it’s not like there aren’t plenty of projects with straight male leads.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:12 pm to ProjectP2294
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No. I'm not wrong. But thank you for your interest.
You're 100% flat out dead wrong. Thinking a 2 year CEO of a massive company like Disney can possibly have that much of an impact is nuts.
Iger was CEO 2005-2020. No way in hell Chapek could effect the planning Iger put in place.
NY Times
The NY Times even put forward a timeline of how Iger undermined Chapek the entire way. Wouldn't relinquish his board seat, meddling in other affairs.
All of the Disney failure is on Iger.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:15 pm to SammyTiger
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The Acolyte was woke in process, I don’t think the content was particularly woke. But the marketing and casting sure.
Was that the one with the tribe of lesbian witches and that one of the creators called "the gayest thing Disney has ever done"? Or was that something else? I remember something about that within the last couple months or so.
But to your point, there are normal things out there. And to my point, some of those things are actually really good. It's a shame they refuse to focus on that and just making good stories that entertain people. And what's silly is that they're doing all of this with a product like Star Wars, where they could almost literally print money if they treated it right. But instead they lose everyone with the stupid shite they try to push.
And it has nothing to do with females in lead roles (although if you ONLY do that then expect things to not succeed eventually). But for example, nobody really had a problem with Rey in the latest trilogy at first.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:23 pm to CocomoLSU
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But for example, nobody really had a problem with Rey in the latest trilogy at first.
Rey was a Mary Sue from the first movie.
But people get upset when Bo-Katan comes in and is an important character in one season of the Mandolorian.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:28 pm to RLDSC FAN
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How do you make Star Wars feel fresh and new while still feeling like Star Wars and not like, say, Rebel Moon?
Disney got such a gift by Rebel Moon being trash. The modern entertainment industry is just not set up in way to deliver much compelling film. Its almost like anything that is compelling is an anomaly
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:37 pm to tiggerthetooth
I appreciate that you think you're refuting what I said, but you aren't. And what I said is still accurate.
You can focus on something else now.
You can focus on something else now.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:43 pm to RLDSC FAN
Media finally turning on Disney? Damn things must be REAL bad
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:54 pm to SammyTiger
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But people get upset when Bo-Katan comes in and is an important character in one season of the Mandolorian.
That is not why and you know that.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:22 pm to LSUPERMAN
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That is not why and you know that.
Oh I do? Seems to me like I don’t know that.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 3:02 pm to SammyTiger
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I feel like if you look at the content in whole, it’s not overly woke.
I don't think so either. It's not woke to hire a black woman for a certain role. I don't care that she's black. But if her character sucks arse, and i say that she sucks, i get called a racist and a woman hater by the people that made the show.
No, i'm not racist, i just dont' like the character you've written. Had it been a white male, i still woudn't like them b/c you suck at story telling.
The most compelling person to me in Andor is Mon Mothman, a woman. I don't care that she's a woman. Her character is really well written, and the actress did an awesome job with the role.
Jyn Erso was a great character.
I'd love to see more of live action Saw Guerrero, a black guy. Him being black is meaningless to me. He's an interesting character.
Rogue One barely had any white guys in it, except for the jackass bad guy, and he was awesome in his role as a bad guy. Who cares? The movie was really good, despite a very diverse cast and the white guy being the main bad guy.
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The Acolyte was woke in process, I don’t think the content was particularly woke. But the marketing and casting sure.
An example of hiring terrible actors b/c of their skin color or what's between their legs or any other reason outside of actually acting, and then terrible writing. And yeah there was stupid woke shite in the writing, but i honestly didn't care about it and it woudn't have mattered had they just written a good story.
Qimir was the only interesting character in that entire show, and the only one who knew how to act. That show was a lesson in how not to make a Star Wars show, somethign they must of picked up on from Obi-Wan and its horrible writing. They had such a good an interesting story that could have been told, even with their shitty diverse cast, but they fricked it up royally.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 3:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
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But if her character sucks arse, and i say that she sucks, i get called a racist and a woman hater by the people that made the show.
It depends on why you think she sucks.
There are plenty of people who will complain nonstops about stuff like “oh of course the black second sister is stronger and blah blah blah”
One of the constant complaints in the Acolyte was that female character like Jecki and the Twins where OP and beating people they shouldn’t, and they were regularly losing fights.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 3:29 pm to ThoseGuys
While not great, it is better than:
and
and
Ola Mae's "Attack me, with all of your strength"
The payoff (arena fight) in Ep. 2 is a better moment than every second of the sequels
and
and
Ola Mae's "Attack me, with all of your strength"
The payoff (arena fight) in Ep. 2 is a better moment than every second of the sequels
Posted on 10/3/24 at 3:48 pm to Roaad
Hey new stuff is bad (I didn't mind the Force Awakens though) but it being bad doesn't make the lazy crap Lucas did any better. The man did not want to get out of his chair to direct scenes. His idea of active scenes was simply people standing up or sitting down while talking (or he just had them walk down a hallway).
The ugly truth is that George Lucas is a brilliant ideas man, but needs people who can reel him in on some of his worse ideas (like still trying to appeal to kids to sell toys but also focusing on the politics of the Star Wars universe).
The ugly truth is that George Lucas is a brilliant ideas man, but needs people who can reel him in on some of his worse ideas (like still trying to appeal to kids to sell toys but also focusing on the politics of the Star Wars universe).
Posted on 10/3/24 at 3:55 pm to ThoseGuys
quote:Lucas gets a pass on the odd dialogue choice here and there. Not every line was a work of art, but all the movies had value for the larger universe. Everyone made the universe a little bigger, more fleshed out. . .and the payoffs were grand and worth it.
Hey new stuff is bad (I didn't mind the Force Awakens though) but it being bad doesn't make the lazy crap Lucas did any better.
The TLJ just showed disdain for the universe it existed in
Almost as though Johnson thought he was better than this.
TFA was OK, but empty and ultimately pointless
ROS was a panic move by Abrams. to retcon Johnson
Posted on 10/3/24 at 4:02 pm to SammyTiger
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One of the constant complaints in the Acolyte was that female character like Jecki and the Twins where OP and beating people they shouldn’t, and they were regularly losing fights.
well, when you start your show off promoting Trinity from the Matrix all over the place, and then show she's a wise old jedi, and then she gets killed by a fricking thrown knife to the chest in the first 10 minutes of the show, as if she has no ability in the force (and save me the she was distracted crap, this isn't Back to the Future "hey what's that Biff"), while we just saw two different characters get lightsabered in the stomach and the chest recently and not die, you don't really get off to a great start with most fans.
And i expect a person who's been training with a Sith to be a good fighter, and suprise a jedi possibly.
And i don't care if a padawan fights well either. Not like that's not somethign that happens. Obi-Wan and Anakin and Ahsoka were good fighting padawans.
But Jecki and the Twins were written horribly and acted horribly. That's why they suck. Had nothign to do with being female. They just sucked. In a world where people are using the force, it makes no different what race or gender you are.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 4:08 pm to RLDSC FAN
Headline was clearly a typo.
Disney IS bad at Star Wars.
Disney IS bad at Star Wars.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 4:08 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:That's not true. . .at all
One of the constant complaints in the Acolyte was that female character like Jecki and the Twins where OP and beating people they shouldn’t
There was the point about padawan Jecki whipping the frickboi Sith, after all the Jedi got flatlined AS A GROUP. . .but the Twins being OP was never really a thing. . .they were just bad character, performed horrifically in a bad script.
I thought she was bad in The Hate You Give. . .but that was Oscar-worthy compared to The Acolyte. They made the green chick look like a passable actress, ffs!
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