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re: Westworld S01 E09: "The Well-Tempered Clavier"
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:52 pm to Jack Ruby
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:52 pm to Jack Ruby
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Timeline 1, the church and town is Wyatt/Teddy time and they are in testing phase of the park and then Ford buries the church.
think this is your only error. time period one is when Ford and Arnold are creating the park and testing it before opening it to the public. Dolores goes crazy and kills everyone except Ford it seems. Ford buries the whole incident and opens the park how he sees it fit. He later creates Bernad.
The teddy/wyatt thing is part of Ford's new narrative which is based on the "incident" from before the park started. Delores could actually be Wyatt.
eta: fixed timeline to time period. everything is one timeline. the show doesnt have time travel (at least not yet). we are seeing one timeline and different periods within it.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 10:55 pm
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:55 pm to Warfarer
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I started leaning toward Logan being the man in black when he cut open Dolores until they panned back to Willaim having torn the whole troop apart to see what made them tick, then he appeared a reborn man. It would also make sense that his family had never seen that side of him.
Also take note that since the scene at the table with he and Delores tied up, no white hat.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:59 pm to BlacknGold
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Dolores goes crazy and kills everyone except Ford it seems
Did she really go crazy or did Ford program her to kill everyone?
How doesn't anyone in the park realize that Bernard is a replica Arnold? 35 years later and a guy walking around who is identical to Arnold in every way is unnoticed?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:02 pm to BlacknGold
Yeah That's what I meant, same timeline, different periods ...35yrs ago, 30 yrs ago, present.
I think what we're seeing when Teddy flashes back to the "Wyat" incident is actually him and Delores going crazy in the test phase right?
So who is the Blonde greeter Host who is trying to jog Teddy's memeory? Is that Ford's doing within his new "narrative". Maybe it's all to frick with the MiB and bringing her back because of his encounter with her as William when he first enters the park.
I think what we're seeing when Teddy flashes back to the "Wyat" incident is actually him and Delores going crazy in the test phase right?
So who is the Blonde greeter Host who is trying to jog Teddy's memeory? Is that Ford's doing within his new "narrative". Maybe it's all to frick with the MiB and bringing her back because of his encounter with her as William when he first enters the park.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:02 pm to NotoriousFSU
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Did she really go crazy or did Ford program her to kill everyone?
yet to be seen but all signs point to her going crazy after becoming aware.
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How doesn't anyone in the park realize that Bernard is a replica Arnold? 35 years later and a guy walking around who is identical to Arnold in every way is unnoticed?
do you mean the people inside the park like hosts and visitors? because they wouldnt know who arnold is/was.
if you mean the people who work for Westworld, no one has been around long enough to know about Arnold. Ford has made sure to clear any evidence of that. How would they know Bernard is Arnold?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:04 pm to NotoriousFSU
It looks like Bernard the host wasn't made until much later in the timeline. Ford says, "welcome back old friend," and Ford looks close to his present day age when Bernard first opens his eyes. Logan told William in an earlier episode that they could not find a picture of Arnold. Assuming Arnold died approximately 5 years before the William and Logan timeline, then Bernard came to be 10-15 years after that, I'm thinking the staff rotations took care of any recognition.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:05 pm to Jack Ruby
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I think what we're seeing when Teddy flashes back to the "Wyat" incident is actually him and Delores going crazy in the test phase right?
thats what i believe, yeah. but Ford is also using that in this new narrative so its kind of a combination of both.
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Maybe it's all to frick with the MiB
this seems like it. the "worthy adversary" seems to be Dolores.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:06 pm to BlacknGold
Ford's new narrative has to be setting Dolores up (as Wyatt) to kill MIB? Big frick you to the board. Ford is trying to frick the board I do know that much. Maybe Ford set it up for one of Arnold'a creations to kill him back in the day. My brain is literally doing flips. So many questions still!
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:08 pm to BlacknGold
That seems to be Fords style. Don't just make up some new boogeyman....take someone you have intimately known and really mind frick you.
Man, The character of Ford and Hopkins acting has crafted one of the most devious, deep, complex, and scary TV/Movie villains in along long time. He seems to be the man made of pure evil.
Man, The character of Ford and Hopkins acting has crafted one of the most devious, deep, complex, and scary TV/Movie villains in along long time. He seems to be the man made of pure evil.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:11 pm to Jack Ruby
It really is perfectly played. When he said, something like "we ate them" I got chills flashing back to Hannibal. This character is right up there. A real psychological terror
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:13 pm to Jack Ruby
hahaha the character is really fricking brilliant. say he never killed innocent people, would he really be evil then? hes manipulating people for control over his vision and using machines as the prey (again before he killed people).
Arnold seemed the one to be hell bent on making the AI as human as possible. if Arnold hadn't done that, things wouldnt be so messed up, right?
Arnold seemed the one to be hell bent on making the AI as human as possible. if Arnold hadn't done that, things wouldnt be so messed up, right?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:15 pm to 9Fiddy
Seems like plenty of people in the present are aware of who Arnold was, but somehow that one picture of him and Ford is the only proof left he existed? Granted they may not have met or known Arnold, it's hard to imagine Bernard (Arnold) has been walking around the park and no one has been like, "Oh hey that looks exactly like the old dude that helped create the park."
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:15 pm to 9Fiddy
you can see all the cues he took from playing Lectur. Ford is obviously much more subdued and less cartoonish, but the essence of their characters are almost identical.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:22 pm to Jack Ruby
I'm going to watch all the previous episodes again. This shite threw me for a loop. Amazing show though 
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:21 am to Rox
frick PowerTool and Cooter Davenport. That is all for now.
Catching up on thread.
Catching up on thread.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:27 am to steeltiger17
What a show
Gotta rewatch several episodes before the finale.
Need to pay special attention to Arnold interviewing Delores
Gotta rewatch several episodes before the finale.
Need to pay special attention to Arnold interviewing Delores
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:12 am to reggierayreb
I didn't even realize until just now that the William storyline was outted as In the past bc of the technology they were showing.
They revealed so much, I just don't know where they go from here. I really hope that's not the last we see of Bernard.
Speaking of Bernard, how did no one question the fact that there's a guy working for Ford that is a clone of his former partner?
They revealed so much, I just don't know where they go from here. I really hope that's not the last we see of Bernard.
Speaking of Bernard, how did no one question the fact that there's a guy working for Ford that is a clone of his former partner?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:19 am to wildtigercat93
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Speaking of Bernard, how did no one question the fact that there's a guy working for Ford that is a clone of his former partner?
Only explanation is that Ford and the guests the only real people in the park.
ETA: Excluding board members (the one killed, hot black chick).
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 1:20 am
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:21 am to Gugich22
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frick PowerTool
Why? I said some people were missing details by focusing entirely on arguing theories they got from other boards, which I think is true. There are not multiple "timelines," there is one timeline with lots of flashbacks and memories from different perspectives, not all of which can be trusted. It's a great fricking show. It should be appreciated in its detail. Now, to sidetrack a little from the fascinating time travel discussions, I have a simple plot question:
Why does Ford kill Elsie? As I understand it, she was uncovering the board/Theresa's attempts to transmit data outside of the park. Wouldn't Ford want to know that? Now it seems that perhaps he did know, and killed her to cover it up. Why?
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 1:22 am
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:45 am to PowerTool
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Why does Ford kill Elsie? As I understand it, she was uncovering the board/Theresa's attempts to transmit data outside of the park. Wouldn't Ford want to know that? Now it seems that perhaps he did know, and killed her to cover it up. Why?
We don't know shes dead yet. But Elise found out not just Theresa's attempts to transmit data but also that somebody else had been tinkering around with the hosts core code
I'm still confused about Ford's motivation. He put out the update with the reveries that started all the hosts to start becoming conscious. Was it truly a mistake like he claims? He doesn't seem to be after what Arnold was which is conscious hosts yet he continues to strive towards making the hosts more life-like and he releases an update that gives the hosts what Arnold thought was the bedrock of consciousness: memory.
Maybe it ties into his new narrative that we haven't learned too much about.
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