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re: 2021 Lakers Thread
Posted on 1/16/22 at 3:26 am to Mulkey Man
Posted on 1/16/22 at 3:26 am to Mulkey Man
It is funny but I don’t see us getting that pick unless lebron and AD are out for a while. They’ll at worst hover around .500
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 6:48 am to Macintosh
It really just needs to be LeBron. As we have seen, AD no longer matters to them much one way or the other.
But yeah, I think that LeBron probably has to miss at least 4 weeks if we're going to get the pick.
But yeah, I think that LeBron probably has to miss at least 4 weeks if we're going to get the pick.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 6:55 am to GOP_Tiger
Exactly. Plus I think they have a move coming. I know moving Westbrook is almost impossible. But something else could still happen.
Is this going to be a wild trading period? Or do teams stand pat and wait for the summer?
Is this going to be a wild trading period? Or do teams stand pat and wait for the summer?
Posted on 1/16/22 at 7:48 am to GOP_Tiger
LeBron no talky talky to the media after the game. More trouble in Laker Land!
Posted on 1/16/22 at 7:58 am to brmark70816
There was one team in the league dumb enough to take Westbrook and that contract on and that was LeGM.
Ironically, once again, LeGM has sabotaged a franchise with his nepotistic and ultra short term tunnel vision, which he never takes responsibility for so never learns anything, and the only real option for him to get another ring at this point will be to trade AD(ironic), or to find his way right back to Cleveland again(or another team that could use him). Because they actually once again have a team he slots into perfectly and would immediately make them contenders.
That all said they would need both AD and Lebron to go down to miss the play in
Ironically, once again, LeGM has sabotaged a franchise with his nepotistic and ultra short term tunnel vision, which he never takes responsibility for so never learns anything, and the only real option for him to get another ring at this point will be to trade AD(ironic), or to find his way right back to Cleveland again(or another team that could use him). Because they actually once again have a team he slots into perfectly and would immediately make them contenders.
That all said they would need both AD and Lebron to go down to miss the play in
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:22 am to Bronc
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Ironically, once again, LeGM has sabotaged a franchise with his nepotistic and ultra short term tunnel vision
I don't think Cleveland would trade cap flexibility the past 5 years for that title win over the Warriors
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Miami either, or the Lakers, that doesn’t make the way he bullies teams into untenable situations for nepotistic reasons good management. Or that it doesn’t come at a long-term cost that prohibits that team from winning future chips.
For instance the absolute smartest move LeGM could have done for the Lakers is, nothing. Just let AD be traded elsewhere for a year or walk in FA(fricks us but I’m looking at it from Lebron), then keep all the young guys for either trades or to build depth with and the Lakers are by far the best team in the league right now…But LeGM can not think strategically like that so he burns through assets furiously, often to get Klutch guys paid or bring in his friends, which more often than not don’t work out long term and saddle the franchise
Maybe that one chip is worth it, but he probably closed the door on multiple ones with the Lakers by doing it.
For instance the absolute smartest move LeGM could have done for the Lakers is, nothing. Just let AD be traded elsewhere for a year or walk in FA(fricks us but I’m looking at it from Lebron), then keep all the young guys for either trades or to build depth with and the Lakers are by far the best team in the league right now…But LeGM can not think strategically like that so he burns through assets furiously, often to get Klutch guys paid or bring in his friends, which more often than not don’t work out long term and saddle the franchise
Maybe that one chip is worth it, but he probably closed the door on multiple ones with the Lakers by doing it.
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 8:33 am
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:35 am to Bronc
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Miami either, or the Lakers, that doesn’t make the way he bullies teams into untenable situations for nepotistic reasons good management.
It's even less of an issue with the Lakers b/c there are only so many years of Lebron James left. You sell out for that window.
Good management is supposed to be targeted at winning titles. Creating a situation where you have to pay the piper down the road is only suboptimal if you don't win a title beforehand.
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Just let AD be traded elsewhere for a year or walk in FA(fricks us but I’m looking at it from Lebron), then keep all the young guys for either trades or to build depth with and the Lakers are by far the best team in the league right now
It's unlikely they would have developed as well b/c of the situations. Like in the other thread, this isn't a video game.
The culture was toxic between Lebron and the young guys. Even Zo had a year where he seemed OK with leaving his homeland (only to turn heel again the next year and demand a larger market).
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But LeGM can not think strategically like that
Did the Lakers win a title with AD or am I misremembering?
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
I am genuinely convinced you are incapable of discussing things in good faith. Utterly incapable
Did you miss the part where I said you can utilize them for trades or did you again deliberately ignore that to make your argument work?
You have a shtick, it’s pretty clear at this point, someone makes a nuanced point that has multiple layers of complexity and you wade through it and cherry pick one half sentence or paragraph, ignore the larger context or key points, and then make a shite response, often having nothing to do with the argument at hand. Or restating something already acknowledged as if it is some sort of retort and not already accounted for.
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It's unlikely they would have developed as well b/c of the situations. Like in the other thread, this isn't a video game. The culture was toxic between Lebron and the young guys. Even Zo had a year where he seemed OK with leaving his homeland (only to turn heel again the next year and demand a larger market).
Did you miss the part where I said you can utilize them for trades or did you again deliberately ignore that to make your argument work?
You have a shtick, it’s pretty clear at this point, someone makes a nuanced point that has multiple layers of complexity and you wade through it and cherry pick one half sentence or paragraph, ignore the larger context or key points, and then make a shite response, often having nothing to do with the argument at hand. Or restating something already acknowledged as if it is some sort of retort and not already accounted for.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 12:55 pm to Bronc
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There was one team in the league dumb enough to take Westbrook and that contract on and that was LeGM.
This year it is probably not movable. But come this summer, how attractive could Westbrook's contract become? Once he picks up this option, it's like a 50M expiring. That has to have some appeal to a lot of teams that would love to dump some bad deals. Give the Lakers a little something to make it happen. Right?
Posted on 1/16/22 at 1:17 pm to Bronc
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someone makes a nuanced point that has multiple layers of complexity
a. Your point isn't complex and it has no nuance unless you're talking about...
b.
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LeGM
Posted on 1/16/22 at 1:28 pm to Bronc
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Just let AD be traded elsewhere for a year or walk in FA(fricks us but I’m looking at it from Lebron), then keep all the young guys for either trades or to build depth with and the Lakers
It’s a good idea in theory but they tried it before when they balked at giving up assets for P George and they thought he run to laker land when free but resigned with OKC. Nothing is guaranteed.
There’s a chance that couldve happened with AD (cus he was getting traded no matter what) and Lebaby didn’t want to miss the playoffs again tarnishing his legacy….
Lucky for us, maybe that last Laker pick turns into a golden ticket.
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:24 am to GOP_Tiger
Loss to the Pacers last night, and Vogel keeps Westbrook on the bench in crunch time. Wow. Lakers beat writer for The Athletic, Bill Oram:
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Frank Vogel leaves Russell Westbrook on the bench at the end of a tight game when his coaching future is, as @theathletic reported yesterday, being evaluated game-by-game. That doesn't speak volumes, it's screaming.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:47 am to GOP_Tiger
Vogel has nothing to worry about. His reputation will be fine if he gets fired. Nobody will blame him. He has one year left on his deal. So he'll get 5-6M to walk away. If I were him I'd go scorched earth and do what I want, line-up wise. If James gets pissed, oh well.
Lakers have a ton of assistant coaches. James favorite Fizdale is one of them. I'm sure he'll get the job, if Vogel leaves..
Lakers have a ton of assistant coaches. James favorite Fizdale is one of them. I'm sure he'll get the job, if Vogel leaves..
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:00 am to brmark70816
Voges wasn't even like the 3rd choice anyway and he got a title out of it 
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:35 am to SlowFlowPro
I hate the Lakers and actively root for their demise, but they are a team that really never needs a first round pick. The way NBA culture is, they will always have a star trying to get there. You absolutely play for titles now and worry about the future later.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:22 am to saints5021
You say that, but it wasn’t that long ago they were a terrible team with dysfunctional leadership. A lot of those people are still in the organization, so I don’t think it’s really out of the realm of possibility that they sink back down to that level in the post-LeBron era.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:35 am to Bronc
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You have a shtick, it’s pretty clear at this point, someone makes a nuanced point that has multiple layers of complexity and you wade through it and cherry pick one half sentence or paragraph, ignore the larger context or key points, and then make a shite response, often having nothing to do with the argument at hand. Or restating something already acknowledged as if it is some sort of retort and not already accounted for.
wonderful post.
same thing happens on political board. **
when the pels are a playoff team there will be enough traffic on this board to merit an admin...you would be great.
** other posters.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:50 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:These rumors of the front office "allowing" him to do this feels like a setup.
Frank Vogel leaves Russell Westbrook on the bench at the end of a tight game when his coaching future is, as @theathletic reported yesterday, being evaluated game-by-game. That doesn't speak volumes, it's screaming.
It's obviously not going to go well, I see little chance Russ takes this as a positive. It likely blows up, and Vogel will be the scapegoat.
Just feels a little weird and convenient timing.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 12:30 pm to shel311
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It's obviously not going to go well, I see little chance Russ takes this as a positive. It likely blows up, and Vogel will be the scapegoat.
Unless, and I hesitate to even think this ... the Lakers might be thinking about trading Westbrook?
At first, I thought that there's no trade that could work, but there actually is one player who could conceivably make sense: John Wall. Wall and Westbrook make almost exactly the same amount of money. They both have terrible contracts that have player options for next season, and Wall last season was arguably a better player than Westbrook is this year.
Would they consider that? I just looked a Lakers blog that suggested that the Lakers could make it worth Houston's while by including Nunn and Horton-Tucker and a couple of 2nds in the deal in exchange for Eric Gordon. That way, Houston gets a young player for the future, and the Lakers get a more productive player for right now.
Ah, and now I see that Windhorst has suggested the same thing. It would seem to have win-win possibilities for both teams. What the Lakers are doing isn't working, so they have nothing to lose.
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