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re: 2022 NBA draft order tracker
Posted on 3/29/22 at 2:50 pm to Macintosh
Posted on 3/29/22 at 2:50 pm to Macintosh
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with everyone healthy the team is already capable of competing.
Whoever you trade for needs to either be an upgrade over Herb/JV, or they need to be a great bench player. I can't imagine upgrades to Herb/JV that aren't star level players and I can't imagine a bench player I'd trade #8 for. A healthy Zion changes so much of what you need and makes guys like Graham more useful.
- Devonte is shooting 40.4% on catch and shoot 3s this season
- Buddy is shooting 39.6% on C&S 3s
- Duncan Robinson is shooting 35% on C&S 3s
All 3 are having down years, so I'm not saying Graham is better than those 2, but considering salary and assets you'd have to give up to get them, rolling with Graham seems like the way to go.
Someone give me a realistic trade target, hell even a realistic archetype. I just don't see the fit or upgrade value.
Hot Take, I'm not sure I trade CJ in a package for SGA. SGA is the kind of guard we want next to Zion/BI long term, but it feels like CJ is going to help get BI and Zion to that next level. That's pretty important too. I wanted Fox more than CJ at the deadline, but I can't imagine Fox having near the impact as CJ both on and especially off the court.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 2:51 pm
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 2:53 pm to TigerinATL
Graham's limitations on defense and anything outside of shooting 3s is the big issue for me. If Murphy develops like he's supposed to, why play Graham over Murphy? I'd much rather roll with Murphy and a rookie who can shoot in the backcourt.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 2:57 pm to TigerinATL
quote:agreed, and you need a guy like Herb in that starting lineup. A guy who doesn’t need to be high usage to be effective. Especially with a lineup that takes a lot of shots. I do think we need some more wing/guard depth. But like you said I’m not trading a top 10 pick for a guy who’s coming off the bench. Especially if you can get a Mathurin, Griffin, Sharpe type players. There’s some quality in this draft that starts to fade around late lottery.
Whoever you trade for needs to either be an upgrade over Herb/JV, or they need to be a great bench player. I can't imagine upgrades to Herb/JV that aren't star level players and I can't imagine a bench player I'd trade #8 for.
Also upgrading JV is tough as well. he’s a top 10 center in this league.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:02 pm to supe12sta12z
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If Murphy develops like he's supposed to, why play Graham over Murphy?
I'm very much for Trey taking Graham's minutes. But it just gets back to the basic point of this team is hard to upgrade within the parameters of the cap/tax, and getting good value for the assets you send out.
Remember the Point Zion bench unit of Zion/Kira/Hart/Hayes/anyone were killing other bench units. Zion/Jose/Trey/Nance/Jaxson would probably be even more deadly.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:02 pm to Macintosh
I just really want an upgrade for Graham. Our Guards are just not good after CJ, Jose, and Herb (if you count Herb as a Guard).
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:03 pm to TigerinATL
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Someone give me a realistic trade target, hell even a realistic archetype.
Eric Gordon/Josh Richardson/Brogdon/Grayson Allen/Gary Harris type guard
That is the archetype I'd like taking Graham's minutes, playing next to CJ/Jose off the bench.
Problem is, unless you actually want Gordon(I think I know mine and everyone's answer) there isn't that guy out there(at least available) unless you want oft-injured Brogdon(who you probably wont be able to afford in a couple seasons), or can somehow free up the space and convince Gary Harris to come here.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:08 pm to TigerinATL
You can easily find a replacement sharpshooter with a guy like Bryn Forbes.
Graham was needed for his ball handling and need at the position at the beginning of the year. But with the addition of CJ and emergence from Alvarado, Graham is just an expensive back up that you can replace relatively easily.
With Williamson back, minutes will come at a premium and having Graham on the roster just forces Green to play him over some of our young guys for way too long. If the opportunity is there to move him this offseason, they should not hesitate.
Graham was needed for his ball handling and need at the position at the beginning of the year. But with the addition of CJ and emergence from Alvarado, Graham is just an expensive back up that you can replace relatively easily.
With Williamson back, minutes will come at a premium and having Graham on the roster just forces Green to play him over some of our young guys for way too long. If the opportunity is there to move him this offseason, they should not hesitate.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:10 pm to TigerinATL
quote:CJ is definitely our Chris Paul with his leadership and presence on the court and in the locker room. He’s exactly the guy Griff was trying to get last summer when he went all in for Lowry and maybe Paul as well. Plus I wouldn’t see OKC taking CJ. Doesn’t remotely fit their timeline. OKC has a few years to go unless giddey takes a huge leap and they nail their draft pick this year.
Hot Take, I'm not sure I trade CJ in a package for SGA. SGA is the kind of guard we want next to Zion/BI long term, but it feels like CJ is going to help get BI and Zion to that next leve
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:24 pm to Macintosh
There would be blood in the streets if Griff traded CJ. He is everything this team needed and continues to need.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:47 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
Someone give me a realistic trade target, hell even a realistic archetype. I just don't see the fit or upgrade value.
been saying it for a while now.
Alec Burks (43% on C&S 3's) and KCP (41% on C&S 3's). both shoot 3's better than Devonte (40% on C&S 3's), and both are elite defenders at the SG spot, and don't mind coming off the bench.
It's more about finding a guy that can catch and shoot the 3 at a nice rate, but also be a good defender, which Devonte is terrible at. the upgrade we are looking for is defensively. Once Zion is back and playing with CJ and BI, there isn't enough time in the game to warrant putting the ball in Devonte's hands, so he'll be relegated to simply a catch and shoot role player, not a bench scorer. One of CJ/BI/Zion will always be on the court to provide the scoring and facilitating. They need to be surrounded by role players that compliment them, which are true 3&D players. Even going after a guy like Jordan Clarkson seems wasteful. We don't need any more scorers on this team with our 3 healthy scorers, we need shooters.
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Hot Take, I'm not sure I trade CJ in a package for SGA. SGA is the kind of guard we want next to Zion/BI long term, but it feels like CJ is going to help get BI and Zion to that next level. That's pretty important too. I wanted Fox more than CJ at the deadline, but I can't imagine Fox having near the impact as CJ both on and especially off the court.
not trading CJ. I'm hoping we get that #8 or #9 pick and we can get Mathurin or Davis or Sharpe and they can take CJ's spot in 3 years.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:47 pm to saints5021
As good as CJ is, SGA is already a masterful player at 23 and will only improve. Don't forget that CJ is 31 soon.
If we're targeting young guys though as a CJ upgrade, it's D. Murray for his 2 way ability.
Imagine the length of Murray, Herb and Ingram at the 1, 2, 3. Bloody 23, 23 and 24. That's an insane mix
CJ is definitely not untouchable if you can improve on him. Very few guys make the list, but Murray and SGA do
If we're targeting young guys though as a CJ upgrade, it's D. Murray for his 2 way ability.
Imagine the length of Murray, Herb and Ingram at the 1, 2, 3. Bloody 23, 23 and 24. That's an insane mix
CJ is definitely not untouchable if you can improve on him. Very few guys make the list, but Murray and SGA do
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:54 pm to Fun Bunch
We don't need to upgrade DG---We just need to get rid of his contract at this point.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:57 pm to The_Duke
No in the world thought 4 years of Graham was a good idea except Griffin
It's akin to when no one in the world thought 4 years of Solo was a good idea except Demps
Just infuriating decisions
It's akin to when no one in the world thought 4 years of Solo was a good idea except Demps
Just infuriating decisions
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 4:00 pm to Pelefraan 1
Yea prob going to have to drop some draft capital to get rid of him but we needed him early on. Now that the young guys have developed and once Zion and Kira are back, I just don't see a role for him.
Jose is better at everything we want DG to do and is cheaper. Kira is our young developing guard. and if we have our big three healthy, one of them will always be on the court running the show.
Jose is better at everything we want DG to do and is cheaper. Kira is our young developing guard. and if we have our big three healthy, one of them will always be on the court running the show.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 4:01 pm to Pelefraan 1
quote:Well that's not true.
No in the world thought 4 years of Graham was a good idea except Griffin
Also, no one in the world thought Graham would all of a sudden be a much worse player than he was the past 2 seasons.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 4:08 pm to Pelefraan 1
I mean a good chunk of this board was convinced he was bargain Lonzo/Trae-lite
But even if he cant be moved in the offseason, in the right role off the bench he'll be perfectly movable at the deadline next year.
But even if he cant be moved in the offseason, in the right role off the bench he'll be perfectly movable at the deadline next year.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 4:10 pm to Pelefraan 1
Instead of trading both 2nd round picks per usual I really would like to see us take a flier on KC Ndefo from St. Peters just to give him a chance on our summer league roster.
6'7, best shot blocker in the draft, 3 time MAAC Defensive Player Of The Year. Obviously not incredibly helpful on offense yet but could spell whoever gets in foul trouble as defensive specialist inside and on the perimeter
6'7, best shot blocker in the draft, 3 time MAAC Defensive Player Of The Year. Obviously not incredibly helpful on offense yet but could spell whoever gets in foul trouble as defensive specialist inside and on the perimeter
Posted on 3/29/22 at 4:11 pm to shel311
quote:He really has just exhibited the player he has always been. He has always been an inefficient scorer who is streaky at best.
Well that's not true.
Also, no one in the world thought Graham would all of a sudden be a much worse player than he was the past 2 seasons.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 4:24 pm to Bronc
quote:As bad as Graham has been, Lonzo ball has a legit availability problem, and I'm very much not convinced that Zo at $19mil is better value than Graham at $11 mil or whatever it is.
I mean a good chunk of this board was convinced he was bargain Lonzo/Trae-lite
In 5 seasons, so has hit 60 games played only once and is averaging 50 games played per season.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 4:28 pm
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